the new cobra is supposedly according to hot rod a 5.4 s/c engine making somewhere aroudn 500hp.

well thats all and good, but some how im not too impressed, compared to gm (which they compared it to) the new ZO6 is 7.0 505hp NA.


so, even with a supercharger ford still is behind? (i know 5 hp isnt anything but the ZO6 will weigh alot less)


idk somehow im not impressed.


-Borsty

and that the Z06 is more money? um...take the extra money, bump up some upgrades, and be right there in performance with the Vette.

is the mustang suppose to compete against the vette now? right now its it its own little market is it not, or is this 500 hp version suppose to be a vette killer? even if it is, the vette is still a much better looking car, and i dont like the styling of the new stangs to much

im a chevy guy and i agree with you, but a 7.0 to a 5.4 is a pretty big difference. 7 liter, ist that roughly a 427? comparied to like a 302? granted its supercharged, but with a smaller pulley, that 500hp mark will grow pretty quick. or even a KB supercharger swap. the cobra is still like 10-15k cheaper.

Borsty wrote:the new cobra is supposedly according to hot rod a 5.4 s/c engine making somewhere aroudn 500hp.

well thats all and good, but some how im not too impressed, compared to gm (which they compared it to) the new ZO6 is 7.0 505hp NA.


so, even with a supercharger ford still is behind? (i know 5 hp isnt anything but the ZO6 will weigh alot less)


idk somehow im not impressed.

it's an apples / oranges thing. 500 hp is impressive no matter what the car. also, take into account that the cobra engine has alot more potential in it right off the bat (BOLT ON wise) & costs less, it sure as heck seems like a heck of a good deal to me. pulley the cobra alone & you've already eclipsed the z06 (power wise). just wait till the new cobra hits the street & some people do a lil work to them, they will have HUGE power potential, due to the s/c, built internals, & obviously a boost friendly compression ratio


btw - look for the cobra to be underrated in the power department too

good points


327 vs 427 is a big difference.


idk it always seems like ford has to supercharge something to get any power.


-Borsty

i say that cobra is very impressive, so what if its s/c, even better takes less money to modify it




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Is it not true that that supercharged engine isn't already running at its near max? I don't know where I heard that but it was from SVT owners that said their current cobra's are already running near its max capability (supercharger wise) and with heat soak and all major upgrades wouldn't really benefit! I don't know though! I may have taken bits and pieces and made them into something I wanted to hear instead!


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^thats what i thought, that the engines really couldnt make alot more power.


idk maybe i just keep thinking a s.c on the z06 and it would blow it away by miles.


-Borsty

either way...lets say we compare it to the ls2 in the GTO ..400hp n/a ..now slap a blower on that..i'm pretty d*mn sure your gonna get over 500hp

Bballjamal (Cav-AtL) wrote:Is it not true that that supercharged engine isn't already running at its near max? I don't know where I heard that but it was from SVT owners that said their current cobra's are already running near its max capability (supercharger wise) and with heat soak and all major upgrades wouldn't really benefit! I don't know though! I may have taken bits and pieces and made them into something I wanted to hear instead!

No, it is not running near it's max, not even close. There are stock blowered Cobras in the 600 rwhp range which is around the max with the stock blower. The exaust for one is corked up, the air silencer alone kills around 13 rwhp. They had to do this to make it pass noise restrictions. The block and internals (forged Manley rods and forged pistons and crank) are good for around 1000 hp, the fuel system for about 550. The new GT-500 promises to be around 500 hp and around $40,000, and it will have the twin screw blower instead of the 03-04 Cobras single screw.

EdgeZ24 wrote:either way...lets say we compare it to the ls2 in the GTO ..400hp n/a ..now slap a blower on that..i'm pretty d*mn sure your gonna get over 500hp

There is going to be much more available with just simple tricks on this car, I would not be surprised to see 700+ rwhp with just bolt ons on the stock twin screw on the upcoming engine. The LS2 has a disadvantage because the internals are not the same strength as the internals in the Cobra.

yeah, i heard the SRT4 was just about topped out to get where dodge put it right before that came out...we all know that BS now...hate to say it, but for the money you pay for a Z06...your getting @!#$

BlackWidowCavy wrote:yeah, i heard the SRT4 was just about topped out to get where dodge put it right before that came out...we all know that BS now...hate to say it, but for the money you pay for a Z06...your getting @!#$

The Mustang however is not meant to be a direct competitor with the Z06, the Z06 is aiming for, and may have passed, the Viper. For what the Z06 can do it's damn impressive and much cheaper than other cars with similar performance. Mid-upper 120 mph 1/4 mile times right off the showroom floor and great driveability is just insane.

your getting @!#$ with the z06? How?

scott9050 wrote:

BlackWidowCavy wrote:yeah, i heard the SRT4 was just about topped out to get where dodge put it right before that came out...we all know that BS now...hate to say it, but for the money you pay for a Z06...your getting @!#$

The Mustang however is not meant to be a direct competitor with the Z06, the Z06 is aiming for, and may have passed, the Viper. For what the Z06 can do it's damn impressive and much cheaper than other cars with similar performance. Mid-upper 120 mph 1/4 mile times right off the showroom floor and great driveability is just insane.

not to mention a vette handles better

Ford doesnt have to supercharge engines to get the same hp
they just do because thats their style
GM likes to do it NA

The C6 Z06 vette is the best sportscar for the money, bar none. My friends dad had them at the track in MI the other day and they were runnin mid 11's stock.

And look for the C6-r to win the 24 hrs of le mans again this year for corvette racing.

Don't believe the 500 hp rating either...........


I like the new mustangs, I hated the earlier generation. Ford did well with this new mustang.

500 HP is tremendous power, and this new Cobra will without a doubt be a blast to drive. But on the racetrack it's a different story.

I'd love a new Cobra in Black, but would love a Black Z06 C6 more.

if you guys are talkin about the stang in my sig then im pretty sure its gonna have 450hp and not 500 but the car isnt out yet so who knows, at least its a shelby.

Its always been that way. GM goes with what works and Ford goes with what sells. Think about it. The Camaro vs the GT Mustang in every test magazines put it against the maro always came out on top in the end. The only place the maro lost was on the sales floor. Where it counts.

All i'm saying is sure maybe the cobra is at its max. So for a good size handfull of people that sux. 500hp n/a is the way to go. However, there are tons of people where 500hp is more than enough power. So who cares that its at its max. Who cares how it gets it there. All they care is they have a 500hp car that cost considerably less then a vette and has a back seat.

Bottom line, 500hp S/C car sells. Same car with same hp n/a for 10 grand more will not move nearly as many.

the vette is gonna perform better overall.....although in the straight line they might be a close, the z06 will most likley still eat it up through the s turns

RkSport 2003 wrote:The C6 Z06 vette is the best sportscar for the money, bar none. My friends dad had them at the track in MI the other day and they were runnin mid 11's stock.

And look for the C6-r to win the 24 hrs of le mans again this year for corvette racing.

Don't believe the 500 hp rating either...........


I like the new mustangs, I hated the earlier generation. Ford did well with this new mustang.

500 HP is tremendous power, and this new Cobra will without a doubt be a blast to drive. But on the racetrack it's a different story.

I'd love a new Cobra in Black, but would love a Black Z06 C6 more.

i don't buy the mid 11's bone stock. the last c5 z06 with 405 hp & roughly the same weight was a loooow 12 car, with a handful cracking 11.9999999, & if i remember correctly those cars were stock with drag radials (the ones that hit 11's). if what you are saying is true the DA must have been well into the negative.

as far as the power rating on the gt500, i've heard anywhere from 450-495, we'll see what it ends up being before long. & as for everyone saying that this engine is tapped out.........THINK AGAIN. it's a 5.3 or 5.4 engine, i can't remember right off the top of my head, then you put a twin screw s/c on it, think along the lines of a kenne bell if you aren't familiar with the term, with built internals & a low compression ratio. that is FAR from tapped out in the power department.

JuicedDSM wrote:Its always been that way. GM goes with what works and Ford goes with what sells. Think about it. The Camaro vs the GT Mustang in every test magazines put it against the maro always came out on top in the end. The only place the maro lost was on the sales floor. Where it counts.

All i'm saying is sure maybe the cobra is at its max. So for a good size handfull of people that sux. 500hp n/a is the way to go. However, there are tons of people where 500hp is more than enough power. So who cares that its at its max. Who cares how it gets it there. All they care is they have a 500hp car that cost considerably less then a vette and has a back seat.

Bottom line, 500hp S/C car sells. Same car with same hp n/a for 10 grand more will not move nearly as many.

the camaro did not always come out on top in everything but sales

the reason why ford needs to have a supercharger to surpass chevy in hp is because they can't build a reliable engine past a 302, they know it and everyone knows it. mustangs are crap, and so are fords.



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Eddie wrote:the reason why ford needs to have a supercharger to surpass chevy in hp is because they can't build a reliable engine past a 302, they know it and everyone knows it. mustangs are crap, and so are fords.

Are you just trying to start a flame war, especially since everyone know about the 5.4 385 hp Cobra R engine and the 400 hp 5.0 stroker? If you have nothing but immature comments to say then how about staying out of this conversation.

b0jan jebac wrote:i say that cobra is very impressive, so what if its s/c, even better takes less money to modify it

Why is the exact opposite point used against the Cobalt SS. I keep hearing that the RSX-S is better because it's naturally aspirated. Well then wouldn't the Cobalt SS have better potential because it's obviously boost ready? Sorry for jacking the thread Borsty