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Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:51 AM
From Chrysler...


Chrysler LLC Introduces All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine

Refined, more fuel-efficient V-6 engine to debut in all-new 2011 Jeep® Grand Cherokee

-The all-new Pentastar V-6 is the most advanced six-cylinder engine in the history of Chrysler, with an ideal integration of select technologies that deliver refinement, fuel efficiency and performance
-All-new flexible-fuel 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 to replace seven current V-6 engines, resulting in flexibility, efficient operations and significant cost savings to the company
-New Chrysler Pentastar V-6 to deliver fuel efficiency improvement of up to 8 percent on average compared with previous Chrysler V-6 engines
-New Pentastar V-6 will contribute a 2 mpg increase to Chrysler’s CAFE by 2015

Chrysler LLC introduced today an all-new line of V-6 engines that will improve fuel efficiency across the Chrysler, Jeep® and Dodge lineup by 8 percent on average compared with previous Chrysler V-6 engines. This more refined and fuel-efficient V-6 engine will ultimately replace seven current Chrysler V-6 engines.

The new 3.6-liter V-6 engine—named Pentastar—is part of the company’s overall $3 billion powertrain offensive. It will first be offered in the all-new 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee, unveiled today at the New York International Auto Show and at the Jeep Safari in Moab, Utah.

“Chrysler’s all-new 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine will offer our customers improved fuel economy, refinement and increased performance across the Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicle lineup,” said Frank Klegon, Executive Vice President—Product Development, Chrysler LLC. “At the same time, replacing seven current engines with one engine will result in increased flexibility, more efficient operations and significant cost savings to the company.”

The Pentastar is an all-new design, featuring double-overhead camshafts (DOHC) and a high-pressure die-cast aluminum cylinder block in a 60-degree configuration.

In the all-new 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee, the all-new 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine will deliver 280 horsepower (209 kW) at 6,400 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. (353 N•m) of torque at 4,800 rpm—an increase of 33 percent in horsepower and 11 percent in torque over its predecessor—while providing an 11 percent fuel economy improvement.

“The all-new Pentastar is the most advanced six-cylinder engine Chrysler has ever offered,” said Bob Lee, Vice President—Powertrain Product Team. “This new family of engines uses an architecture conceived with future technology growth and integration in mind.”

The new Pentastar V-6 also will contribute a 2 mpg increase to Chrysler’s CAFE by 2015, resulting in fewer greenhouse gas emissions and a reduction in oil dependence.

Customers Benefit: Fuel Efficiency, Refinement, Quality, Low Cost of Ownership

During the initial goal setting for the Pentastar program, Chrysler engineers benchmarked the industry’s leading engines to set functional targets. The result is an all-new engine that delivers truly world-class customer attributes.

Chrysler’s all-new 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine design features a double-overhead cam (DOHC), narrow included valve angle, cylinder head and high-flow intake and exhaust ports. This design, combined with dual independent cam phasing, allows optimum volumetric and combustion efficiency over the full speed and load range, resulting in an exceptional, flat torque curve along with high specific power—the engine’s torque exceeds 90 percent of its peak value from 1,600 to 6,400 rpm—which will provide customers with outstanding drivability and responsiveness, without the need for premium fuel.

“Similar to what we did with the HEMI® engine, our engineers used the best combination of design features and technologies to create an engine that satisfies customer requirements,” Lee added. “The elegantly simple design maximizes the functionality of each design element rather than adding technology to claim a feature. The result gives our customers everything they demand from an engine today—class-leading levels of refinement, fuel-efficiency, performance and cost of ownership.”

The advanced oil filter system eliminates oil spills and contains an incinerable filter element—more efficient disposal than the typical spin-on filters, which are disposed of in landfill sites. The use of long-life spark plugs and a high-energy coil-on-plug ignition system also helps to reduce cost of ownership.

The Pentastar V-6 is designed to run on regular gasoline, offering a 10 percent reduction in fuel cost compared with premium fueled engines. The engine also is fully flex fuel capable, offering consumers the choice of gasoline or E85 fuel without any degradation in performance or emissions.

The new state-of-the-art Trenton (Mich.) Engine South Plant will be the lead facility for production of the Pentastar V-6 engine. A duplicate, new facility in Saltillo, Mexico, will ramp up for the 2012 model year.

All-new Chrysler 3.6-liter, DOHC, 24-valve Pentastar V-6 Technical Specifications

Displacement: 3.6 liters
Bore x stroke: 96 x 83 mm
Valve train system: Double-overhead cam with roller finger followers and hydraulic lash adjusters. Dual independent cam-torque actuated phasers
Fuel injection: Multi-point port fuel injection
Construction: High-pressure die-cast aluminum cylinder block and semi-permanent mold aluminum cylinder head
Maximum engine speed: 7200 rpm
Fuel requirement: E85 (Ethanol) or unleaded regular, 87 octane (R+M)/2
Emission capability: PZEV





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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:58 AM
any word no how long till these will blow up from oil sludge like their current sixes? Sorry Chrysler has a lot longer to go to gain any consumer confidence with me than GM or Ford. And i'm not the only one that feels that way. The proof is in the pudding, chrysler is the most broke and the weakest of the Big 3 for a reason, nobody wants their product.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 AM
this motor is going in there Challenger SE and base charger looks good
Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:46 AM
Low cost of ownership... LOL. I don't think they know how to build a reliable engine. GM learned how to do it, they just need to work a few other issues (I've heard of a lot of battery drainage issues with GMs of recent years), and they'll be building cars people want to buy again.


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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:04 AM
i think they are still a step behind...although it does seem better than their other 6's...they outdid their past, but not even close to other companies past yet, and not even close to what other companies are doing in present line-ups. 280hp off of 87 octane, and acting like thats amazing?...not to me...i want to see how efficient it really is though.
Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:22 PM
They atleast have better power rating then what GM or Ford with equivelant features. GM's "High Feature" DOHC 3.6L (Non D-I) pulls out 263HP 253 TQ. Ford is running with 3.5L and has 263HP and 249TQ.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:04 PM
280 hp with a 7200 rpm redline with a 5000 RPM torque power band running on 87 octane, with the option of E85..... Not sure why everybody is bashing it, sounds like an awesome setup, I wonder if you could get it in a small car... that would make for alot of fun.



Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:16 PM
Darkstars wrote:280 hp with a 7200 rpm redline with a 5000 RPM torque power band running on 87 octane, with the option of E85..... Not sure why everybody is bashing it, sounds like an awesome setup, I wonder if you could get it in a small car... that would make for alot of fun.


I can tell you why everyone bashes it because this site is full of ignorant dip@!#$s who act like they know it all. It has not even been put in a single car for sale and people are already talking @!#$. Acting like they KNOW how reliable it will be. They don't have any facts just preconceived notions You just have to laugh at those idiots.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:22 PM
Wait wait wait.

Chrysler thinks it's going to make it to 2011?



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:14 PM
Awesome engine but bad timing. This post should have been written 9 years ago.



Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:18 PM
bit late in the game, but props to them for at least trying



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:52 PM
Wade Jarvis wrote:
Darkstars wrote:280 hp with a 7200 rpm redline with a 5000 RPM torque power band running on 87 octane, with the option of E85..... Not sure why everybody is bashing it, sounds like an awesome setup, I wonder if you could get it in a small car... that would make for alot of fun.


I can tell you why everyone bashes it because this site is full of ignorant dip@!#$s who act like they know it all. It has not even been put in a single car for sale and people are already talking @!#$. Acting like they KNOW how reliable it will be. They don't have any facts just preconceived notions You just have to laugh at those idiots.


Now, would this comment be classified as ignorant, naive or just stupid?

Viper98912 wrote:Wait wait wait.

Chrysler thinks it's going to make it to 2011?


LOL so true.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:07 PM
Great idea, from company notorious for bad engineering.
I've always though of Ford and GM as pretty solid car makers. And Chrysler products as the made in china like wal-mart brand. Sure you get all the bells and whistles and lots of wow for less money. But as the saying goes you get what you pay for. As someone already pointed out there is a very good and solid reason they are by far the weakest of the big 3. nobody had a problem leasing a new chrysler/dodge/jeep with a full warranty. But everyone has a problem with owning one that will eventually not have a warranty and will completely fall apart in 3 years. Once Chrysler stopped leasing their sales dropped off a cliff. If chrysler was serious about it's product and wanted to boost sales they would offer a hyundai like warranty. I swear on my life if they did that they would be the dominate u.s. automaker in just 3 years.






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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:06 PM
Chrysler needed a motor like this... they have way too many V6 engines floating around.
I'm happy to see they're consolidating.





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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:05 AM
Wade Jarvis wrote:
Darkstars wrote:280 hp with a 7200 rpm redline with a 5000 RPM torque power band running on 87 octane, with the option of E85..... Not sure why everybody is bashing it, sounds like an awesome setup, I wonder if you could get it in a small car... that would make for alot of fun.


I can tell you why everyone bashes it because this site is full of ignorant dip@!#$s who act like they know it all. It has not even been put in a single car for sale and people are already talking @!#$. Acting like they KNOW how reliable it will be. They don't have any facts just preconceived notions You just have to laugh at those idiots.


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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:43 AM
KG wrote:
Wade Jarvis wrote:
Darkstars wrote:280 hp with a 7200 rpm redline with a 5000 RPM torque power band running on 87 octane, with the option of E85..... Not sure why everybody is bashing it, sounds like an awesome setup, I wonder if you could get it in a small car... that would make for alot of fun.


I can tell you why everyone bashes it because this site is full of ignorant dip@!#$s who act like they know it all. It has not even been put in a single car for sale and people are already talking @!#$. Acting like they KNOW how reliable it will be. They don't have any facts just preconceived notions You just have to laugh at those idiots.


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Exactly and Jookycola is the worst at it. How can you bash something that hasnt even been seen in mass production. He sees the word chrysler and automaticly its trash. Grow the @!#$ up. You come in almost every thread and bash everything for all its worth.
Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:24 AM
I state facts.
People that can't handle the facts...or fanboys (which is pretty much the same thing) bitch, cry and call me names. Sorry if the truth hurts. Anything I bash, I do with reason. Chrysler builds garbage that's a pretty widely shared opinion, not just mine. And if I say so it's because i have facts to back my opinions up. All you have in my so-called "bashing" posts is name calling and $hit talking back up all of your points. Which only makes you sound pointless and immature.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then...well if i have to explain it to you then i guess you're as ignorant as you sound then.
If Chrysler is such a great car maker then why are they the most broke? Why did Chrysler's sales drop 40% the month after leases stopped?
i'll repeat myself, nobody wants to "own" them, they are unreliable junk. If i'm so wrong, then why does all the evidence support MY position?
Even better...my post is nowhere in your quote yet you chose to personally go for my throat. What a douche.

Tyler talk like a grown up and bring some valid points to the table, not childish name calling. Then maybe you'll be taken seriously.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:29 PM
1st point this is a new engine so how can you say its garbage when you know absolutely nothing about it?
2nd sales are down everyone look around and open your eyes
3rd Its not just Chrysler that is having problems. Every company is.
4th my points are valid go look back at every thread with Chrysler in it you bash Chrysler every time. Just because a product wasn't up to par before doesn't mean it cant be turned around and become a quality product. Everyone business goes through this. You have your highs and lows and a good business will work through it and be there in the end. Did I ever state the Chrysler isn't in trouble? There no different than any other business in todays economy.



Where are your facts backing up this new engine isn't going stand the test of time? By all means please do tell I would love to hear your knowledge and expertise about this new engine.




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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:50 PM
> Fact: Chrysler is in a downward spiral much worse than any other automaker. The first full month after chrysler dropped their leasing program their sales dropped 39% GM & Ford followed suit and their sales numbers were only 16% & 18%. That's a bigger drop for chrysler.

> Fact: Chrysler products always have a below average rating on just about every customer, comsumer review survey. The only place they rank high is in intial ownership satisfaction. Which backs me up 100% everyone loves to lease a chrysler, but doesn't want to get stuck with one long term.

> Fact: it's been proven that Chrysler is not financially stable enough to sustain themselves to the end of 2009. The government flatly denied them anymore bailout money and they also were asking for 5 times more bailout money than GM. Chrysler is also a smaller company than GM, yet needed more money?? Again they need money because the costs to keep fixing their poorly built garbage and the lack of people flocking to the dealers to buy their garbage.

I don't know anything about this engine. It may very well be the greatest engine ever made. But i do know Chryslers past quality and if that's an indicator this engine could be just a lousy as all the other lackluster engines they've produced. The best most reliable motors they have are not even chrysler designs. The 4.0 in the Jeeps dates back to AMC, and the cummings diesels are...well cummings diesels. The Hemi is just a v-8 and not earthshattering. the 2.4l turbo is the same head blowing,bottom end blowing neon motor from the 90's, their 3 litre sixes are a national disgrace smeared in dozens of class action lawsuits.

I bash because they suck, and if they turn it around good for them. But i don't see it.
GM is clearly trying. They are making it too hard to not notice how much better their product is. I totally comend them for doing an awesome job of stepping up. All i see Chrysler doing is just using their marketing power to convince people they are better, but the products are the same. Actions speak louder than words, all chrysler has today are words. they have not stepped to the plate...so i will continue to bash till they give me and 1000's of others a reason to eat our words.

Maybe this engine will be that first step. Sadly i doubt it.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:34 PM
In all honesty, the biggest reason that chrysler is in the @!#$ter now is because of how Daimler and Cerberus collectively sucked the life out of it. More of that rests on Daimler though. They always treated the Chrysler brands as a cash cow- minimal investment into R&D and try and maximize sales. Why do you think most of Chryslers 2000-2005 cars use such an amalgamation of Mercedes and Mitsu parts?

This is the engine they should have brought out at least 5 years ago. There's been zero reason why the pushrod V6's should have even still been around this long, and the 2.7, 3.5, etc were all just marginal improvements on early-mid 90's engines.

I dunno, I'm indifferent. Even though Chrysler f---ed me out of a crapload of money during my time as a tech with them, ultimately, it was Daimler pulling the strings.




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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:31 PM
I can kinda agree to that.
But they made crap cars all through the 80's and 90's long before Daimler came on board. The only real difference is the cars looked awesome. Some of the best looking cars of the 90's were from Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth. But a pretty wrapper doesn't make up for poor engineering, low build quality, and cheap materials. Sadly many of those pretty designed cars are not on the road anymore. Think how often you even see a Dodge Avenger coupe on the road these days. And when you do they look like they've been to hell and back.

They were great cars when new, but had no longevity built into them what-so-ever. Hence why i call them disposable cars, excellent marketing comboed with poor quality parts bolted together just right that they could get cars off the showroom floor make a ton of money...not giving a damn about the long term. All Daimler did was sit back watch the money pour in and do nothing to improve the quality, and THAT is why the quality continued to worsen. It's nothing they did directly, it's that they just let things continue business as usual.

So to an extent you are 100% right, but the quality was never there to begin with.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:18 PM
JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:In all honesty, the biggest reason that chrysler is in the @!#$ter now is because of how Daimler and Cerberus collectively sucked the life out of it.


Fact.



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Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:24 PM
I wish I could offer any sort of argument about Chrysler being reliable, but I can't. They do (did?) make very solid bodies though. Their cars tended to rust the slowest and were the most solidly welded together of any of the big three. In 2003 my dad gave me his 1987 Chrysler LeBaron and it had zero rust on it despite having been daily driven in winter for 17 years.

However, I'd be wary of buying their cars. When the new Challenger came out I found it droolworthy. I want one more than anyone could guess, but it's a scary proposition. If Chrysler goes under I'd be stuck with the maintenance on the thing. Hell, their reputation is so bad that I honestly feel it would be less of a risk to buy a 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T for 40 grand and drive that instead of a 2010. A better investment too because you could sell it back for pretty much the same price, unlike the new Challenger which is bound to lose most of it's value within 5 years.
Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Monday, April 13, 2009 7:13 AM
JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote: the 2.7, 3.5, etc were all just marginal improvements on early-mid 90's engines.


I liked the old 2.7L. My parents Sebring had it, and it hauled ass (relatively speaking), and on the highway they were getting the same mid-40s MPG ( I don't know what that is in american MPG) I get with my Cavalier. Fortunately they sold the car before they ever had any sludge problems.

This engine looks pretty good on paper, might make fun drive in a rental car one day for me. It's a step in the right direction, however too late it may be.
Re: Chrysler's All-new Pentastar V-6 Engine
Monday, April 13, 2009 7:32 AM
I like how everyone thinks it to little to late for Chrysler and doesn't see anything changing yet most of you swing from GM's nuts. For whatever reason GM is doing the right thing and turning the company and is gonna save itself etc, but for Chrysler that can't happen. It's like that whole Pot meet Kettle thing.



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