I'm not huge into DSM's but I know a few on here know a thing or 2 about them... so I'm wondering a ball park of what a 2g talon with the 16g pushing 18psi (rough tuned with AFC), FMIC kit and 3" turboback exhuast should run..
I am not looking for EXACT times obviously just a ballpark estimate, assuming it makes it all the way down the track without breaking something.. LOL
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11's or 12's depending on if you can get traction. Is it AWD?
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
About 30 mins.. It'll make it half way, then break down, then you'll have to push it the rest of the way
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I'm going to say mid to low 13's.
Really? I thought it would be quicker than that. Oh well I guess I will stick to guesstimating NA car times
Rob
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REDGOTE wrote:Really? I thought it would be quicker than that. Oh well I guess I will stick to guesstimating NA car times
Rob
You are probably correct on how much power he gained. You're probably just off on what the car runs stock. They aren't that fast in complete stock form. A really low 15 to really high 14 second car. So with the mods he has he got a good gain. Dropping a second and a half maybe two off 1/4 mile time is a noticeable gain.
What 16g? Evo3? Reg Mitsu? Ebay? Also what kind of supporting mods does he have? If its just a 16g slapped on there with a boost controller and a front mount and a rough band aid tune its prally not gonna run all that great.
If its a well sorted car and the tunes not too far off then high 12's/low 13's like everyone else has said. If its just hack-job, hello 14's.
Oh, forgot to even ask if its a TSi or TSi AWD. Big factor right there as well as driver skill.
Rabbit(AKA RedAssassin) wrote: They aren't that fast in complete stock form. A really low 15 to really high 14 second car.
even those numbers are a bit on the quick side when you take into the account wear and tear of these older cars. I've never personally seen a stock one hit 14's but plenty in the mid 15's a couple in the low 15's.
Hell one of the guys I work with has a 2G Eclipse fwd turbo automatic, with 3 inch exhaust, intake, all the intercooler piping, stock turbo and stock boost level his best time at the track was a 15.4
It depends greatly on whether or not it is AWD or FWD and the skill of the driver. I've seen an AWD 2g talon with front mount, boost controller, cat-back exhaust, 16g (i'm assuming ebay) run a low 14.
The same night (same race actually) my buddy ran his 91 Eclipse GSX that was stock except for a manual boost controller (running 18 lbs) and a 45 degree turn down where his catalytic converter would be (cut the cat out, runs just a straight section of exhaust clamped in for daily, puts the turn down on at the track).....run a 13.32 at 97mph missing 4th gear. He later turned down the boost to 15 or 16psi and backed it up with a 13.36 at 99mph. Hopefully his new turbo (Slowboy Racing bastard 20g) comes Monday like it should so we can get it installed and hit the track tuesday night.
So I would have to guess mid to high 13's if its FWD and maybe high 12's to low 13's if its AWD.....granted that he is a good driver.
mid 13s -fwd
mid to high 12s awd
there was a black 16g on 20psi that was a gsx last time i went up. he was running 12.7s
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I've heard from a knowledgeable DSM owner that automatics are considerably slower, despite mods. I've seen a stock, good condition, 2G AWD DSM with an aftermarket air filter do 14.6. This is also on the stock T-25.
OHV notec wrote:Darkstars wrote:TSi's are awd
Not all of them...
thast news to me... I've never seen a TSi that wasn't
Yeah, the fwd TSi's are hard to come by. I think I've seen one or two 1st Gen talon's that were fwd for sale over here...and 1 2nd Gen for sale in Alberta a few months back. AWD is better anyway
I wish mine was awd
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Darkstars wrote:OHV notec wrote:Darkstars wrote:TSi's are awd
Not all of them...
thast news to me... I've never seen a TSi that wasn't
Yes, Darkstars, they made TSi (FWD) and TSI AWD variants. Much alike there other dsm brothers the GS-T (FWD) and GSX (AWD) eclipse. I know this because, I love them, and have been trying to buy one for quite some time. That and I have a few friends active in DSM's
Again we'd really need to see this car to make an accurate prediction, because in addition to the ghetto/non ghetto arguement theres the fact ALOT of DSM owners like to sandbag. Alot has to with like Darkstars mention, wear and tear and upkeep. I've seen a meticulously maintained stock 2gb run a mid 14 and I've see beat modded ones going 15's.
Like some mentioned, autos are alot slower in the DSM land, Darkstars your friends FWD sounds limited by the fact its
a) Auto
b) Stock turbo and boost
c) Stock side mount.
With a MBC, 16g and FMIC along with some tuning I bet 13's are possible.
First, yes, there are TSI FWDs and TSI AWDs.... They came in roughly the same ratio as GST's to GSX's. That is, sadly, more FWD then AWD.
Second, the range of times for the original poster is quite varied... Best possible on a well setup car with an experianced driver and all applicable support mods and tuning... 12.3-12.5 (AWD) FWD? Add a minimum of 1 second. Most likely more.
Realistic goals? High 12's - 13.0 AWD 13.5-14.0 FWD
Hack job/n00b driver? 14.0-14.5 FWD or AWD.
With the same mod lists DSM's have widely varing ETs... the quality of the work and the quality of the driver have a huge effect. And of course, dealing with the 16g, there are at least 4 common version of this turbo in use, and a WIDE range of ages/conditions to them.
Oh, and the automatic trannies they put in DSMs are TOTAL crap. They are so weak and pathetic, they will burn out the clutch packs STOCK... modding an auto tranny DSM is like dropping a gernade in the bellhousing. But hey, at least the manual swaps are easy.
ehhhh I messed that quote up.
AWD? Mid to high 12s with great tuning and a good driver on a good track. Mid 13s for a "rough" tuned car and an average pilot.
My, well tuned 2G with a T28 runs high 13s, that should be beaten by the 3" exhaust and slightly larger turbo. The trick will be the tuning. It can take or add seconds quite easily.
If it's FWD traction will be the issue. Higher trap speeds with the FWD cars and if they can launch well, lower ets as well. Typically though the FWD will be outpaced by the AWD.
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