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Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 10:59 AM
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Ford to cut up to 30,000 jobs, idle 14 plants
Struggling automaker seeks to reverse $1.6 billion loss in 2005

DETROIT - Ford Motor Co., the nation’s second-largest automaker, said Monday that it will cut 25,000 to 30,000 jobs and idle 14 facilities by 2012 as part of a restructuring designed to reverse a $1.6 billion loss last year in its North American operations.

The cuts represent 20 percent to 25 percent of Ford’s North American work force of 122,000 people. Ford has approximately 87,000 hourly workers and 35,000 salaried workers in the region.

Plants to be idled through 2008 include the St. Louis, Atlanta and Michigan’s Wixom assembly plants and Batavia Transmission in Ohio. Windsor Casting in Ontario also will be idled, as was previously announced following contract negotiations with the Canadian Auto Workers. Another two assembly plants to be idled will be determined later this year, and production at St. Thomas Assembly in Ontario will be reduced to one shift.

A total of 14 facilities, including seven assembly plants, will cease production by 2012. The names of the other facilities were not immediately disclosed.

“These cuts are a painful last resort, and I’m deeply mindful of their impact,” Chairman and Chief Executive Bill Ford said in announcing the cuts. “In the long run we will create far more stable and secure jobs. We all have to change and we all have to sacrifice, but I believe this is the path to winning.”

In addition to the facilities named Monday, analysts have also predicted that assembly plants in St. Paul, Minn., and Cuatitlan, Mexico could be closed.

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger and Vice President Gerald Bantom called the plan “extremely disappointing.”

“The impacted hourly and salaried workers find themselves facing uncertain futures because of senior management’s failure to halt Ford’s sliding market share,” they said in a statement. “The announcement has further left a cloud hanging over the entire work force because of pending future announcements of additional facilities to be closed at some point in the future.”

The pair said Ford should be trying to gain market share, rather than aligning production capacity with shrinking demand for the company’s vehicles.

Earlier Monday, Ford reported earnings of $2 billion in 2005, down 42 percent from last year’s profit of $3.5 billion. It was the third straight year the automaker has reported a profit, but gains in Europe, Asia and elsewhere were offset by a loss of $1.6 billion in North American operations.

In announcing the job cuts and plant moves, Ford said Monday it would no longer provide earnings guidance beginning in 2006.

“We must be guided by our long-term goals of building our brands, satisfying customers, developing strong products, accelerating innovation, and, most importantly, producing a sustainable profit from our automotive business,” the CEO said in a statement.

Reacting to news of the job cuts, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said: “Anytime someone loses a job we’re concerned about it, we’re concerned about the community.”

However, McClellan said overall the economy “is going strong.”

Alan Hallman, mayor of Hapeville, Ga., where the Atlanta Assembly Plant is located, called the news “a setback for the state.”

The plant, which makes the Taurus, has about 2,000 employees. Hallman said it accounts for 9 percent of the small city’s budget.

“We’ve got hundreds of man-hours and thousands of dollars invested on various plans to keep them here. The fact that they’ve elected to idle the plant is very disappointing,” he said.

In Wixom, 18-year worker James Crawford said he is too young to retire and might not have enough seniority to get hired at another plant.

“This really hits me hard,” said the 48-year-old car painter, who listened to the announcement on the radio in a white Ford Probe parked across the street from the plant. “It looks like I’m starting over.”

In addition to the cuts in hourly jobs, Ford said it was reducing the company’s officer ranks by 12 percent by the end of the first quarter. The company previously said it was cutting the equivalent of 4,000 salaried positions by the end of the quarter.

Ford said in its earnings statement earlier Monday that it reduced employment in 2005 by 10,000 people due to layoffs, buyouts and attrition. Ford has around 300,000 employees worldwide.

The No. 2 U.S. automaker after General Motors Corp. has been hurt by falling sales of its profitable sport utility vehicles, growing health care and materials costs and labor contracts that have limited its ability to close plants and cut jobs. The UAW will have to agree to some portions of the restructuring plan, dubbed the “Way Forward” by Ford officials.

“The announced plant closings and future announcements are the subject of ongoing discussions with Ford,” Gettelfinger and Bantom said. “Certainly, today’s announcement will only make the 2007 negotiations all the more difficult and all the more important.”

Ford also has seen its U.S. market share slide as a result of increasing competition from foreign rivals. The company suffered its tenth straight year of market share losses in the United States in 2005, and for the first time in 19 years, Ford lost its crown as America’s best-selling brand to GM’s Chevrolet. Ford sold around 2.9 million vehicles for a market share of 17.4 percent in 2005, down from 18.3 percent the year before and 24 percent in 1990.

The restructuring is Ford’s second in four years. Under the first plan, Ford closed five plants and cut 35,000 jobs, but its North American operations failed to turn around.

Ford used just 79 percent of its North American plant capacity in 2005, down from 86 percent in 2004, according to preliminary numbers released last week by Harbour Consulting Inc., a firm that measures plant productivity. By contrast, rival Toyota Motor Corp. was operating at full capacity.

States have been scrambling to offer tax credits and other incentives to keep Ford from closing their facilities ever since the automaker said last fall that it was developing a restructuring plan.

Earlier this month, Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt and other state officials flew to Ford’s headquarters for a one-hour meeting with Ford executives. Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm outlined a package of incentives to Ford last week but said she wasn’t given any assurance that Michigan plants would be spared.




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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 11:18 AM
This... does not bode well.



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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 11:24 AM
I don't get why car companies do this . . . If they have bad market shares or their sales weren't as great, why not lower the price of their products, or make more sales, etc. Instead, they ruin thousands of peoples lives? Then again, I've never been involved in a huge company like that, so there is probably a lot more to it then i know.
Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 11:31 AM
alot of it is cost of living , ie.... medical food , and then union has a hand in it as well


plus the all the auto makers making cars that last longer means long run sales go down , cause not everyone needs a new car every couple years







Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 12:19 PM
Exodus 259 wrote:I don't get why car companies do this . . . If they have bad market shares or their sales weren't as great, why not lower the price of their products, or make more sales, etc. Instead, they ruin thousands of peoples lives? Then again, I've never been involved in a huge company like that, so there is probably a lot more to it then i know.


how do you plan on selling more cars if people dont wanna buy them? or how do you lower the price of a car so you still have a loss on a sale?

i'll sell you a chocolate bar for 40 cents that cost me 60 cents to make. on top of the fact that you want skittles and not chocolate. that's smart.



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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 12:30 PM
I've been hearing abou this all weekend.

That's pretty harsh to cut 25% of your workforce. That's like, taking a look around your company, and picking 1 out of every 4 people to get fired/laid off.



Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 12:39 PM
Honda, Toyota, and most other car companies, if they have a situation where they aren't selling the product, what do they do? They cut back production to the point where they can meet the demand and still make target profit on each unit...


Ford, GM, when they aren't selling the product, they keep on producing the same amount, year after year... There is no demand, yet they don't adjust their supply... They think, Hey!, I know how we can fix the demand problem! Lets discount all our models and make even less money on every unit we sell, but KEEP on producing the same amount of product!

So now they are closing down plants... Now they are at the point where money saved is profit...

Not good business...





Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 12:57 PM
They have been planning this for quite a while, it's going to take some of the bloat out of their business structure.
Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 5:58 PM
It was bound to happen after GM's last year. Thing is they depended on a hefty chunk with their SUVs to survive, and well Explorers, Expedition is not selling as well as say for instantance 4 years ago.
Odd that they have not recouperated though, as I really believe out of the big three Ford has the most improved product portfolio. Now that slogan: "Have you driven a Ford lately" could not be more appropriate then now.
Something is wrong with the pictures and it is not the workers, engineers, unions, designers fault, if you catch my drift.




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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 6:11 PM
MKSkud wrote:Honda, Toyota, and most other car companies, if they have a situation where they aren't selling the product, what do they do? They cut back production to the point where they can meet the demand and still make target profit on each unit...


Ford, GM, when they aren't selling the product, they keep on producing the same amount, year after year... There is no demand, yet they don't adjust their supply... They think, Hey!, I know how we can fix the demand problem! Lets discount all our models and make even less money on every unit we sell, but KEEP on producing the same amount of product!

So now they are closing down plants... Now they are at the point where money saved is profit...

Not good business...


closing plants and firing people means they wont be able to put out the same amount of vehicles
unless im missing something here?

and goodwrench, i dont get your drift lol



Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 7:28 PM
I think the fact that "The Big 3" have limited access to sales in the far east has a real hand in it. Eastern auto makers have Japan/East China/Korea/Australia/North America/South America/Europe and the Mid-east and Africa available to them, and the North American Auto makers have little access to most of those (with the Exception of Europe, Australia and South America). Why is that, I wonder?



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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 7:46 PM
^ if you read what they're losing on, GM and Ford are having positive sales all across the globe, its here in the US only where they're losing billions. Worldwide and overall is not the problem, North America is the problem.



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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 8:08 PM
well ford is goin in the right direction with its cars as they went up 7 percent over the year
they just need to continue building on that success as even the all new explorer isnt doing @!#$, and thats been the bread to the f150 butter the last 10 years or so



Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 8:37 PM
themarin8r wrote:
MKSkud wrote:Honda, Toyota, and most other car companies, if they have a situation where they aren't selling the product, what do they do? They cut back production to the point where they can meet the demand and still make target profit on each unit...


Ford, GM, when they aren't selling the product, they keep on producing the same amount, year after year... There is no demand, yet they don't adjust their supply... They think, Hey!, I know how we can fix the demand problem! Lets discount all our models and make even less money on every unit we sell, but KEEP on producing the same amount of product!

So now they are closing down plants... Now they are at the point where money saved is profit...

Not good business...


closing plants and firing people means they wont be able to put out the same amount of vehicles
unless im missing something here?

and goodwrench, i dont get your drift lol


LOL. It is managment's fault for the downturn.





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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 10:57 PM
Viper98912 wrote:^ if you read what they're losing on, GM and Ford are having positive sales all across the globe, its here in the US only where they're losing billions. Worldwide and overall is not the problem, North America is the problem.
it's what they sell in north America that is the problem. we no longer want those big sloppy cars that look like any other car on the street. i want a awd 350hp cobalt under 3,000lbs


see ya!

Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Monday, January 23, 2006 11:22 PM

... the Americans seem to be doing well abroad; perhaps its
because they offer more interesting products elsewhere;
perhaps its because consumers want something different;
Food for thought: an American car to an American can be a
boring prospect compared to an import like a toyota, honda,
or a bmw; an American car sold in a foreign market IS the
import brand.

Overcapacity + labor costs are also crippling the American
manufacturers at home. Ford has a capacity to make four
million cars, but they're selling 25% less. Extra capacity
comes at a cost. Its called overhead, and overhead eats
away at net profits. Labor costs are a problem in a world
market. I have no idea what the total take-home pay for an
American assembly worker comes out to; however, I do
know the average salary for an assembly worker in china
is less than $4usd/hour. It doesn't take an accountant to
tell you labour costs eat profits.

Lack of open markets is also a severe handicap for US car
makers. I don't know enough to give a valid comment here,
but I do know GM is seeing great success with its product
in China. I think they want to replicate that success in other
forgiven markets, but with US built vehicles -- that concept
has little chance of seeing success. I mean, why would GM
or Ford transport cars into China when they can just build
them in China with sub $4usd/ hour labor costs, and little
or no health care costs. In many ways, building US product
elsewhere is growing trend. Its almost like an economic
conspiracy against the lowly North american laborer *sigh







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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:03 AM
from what i remember, its about 30usd/hr. not including paying healthcare for an average of 2 more people who sit at home for every one worker in the plant.



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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:26 AM
themarin8r wrote:
MKSkud wrote:Honda, Toyota, and most other car companies, if they have a situation where they aren't selling the product, what do they do? They cut back production to the point where they can meet the demand and still make target profit on each unit...


Ford, GM, when they aren't selling the product, they keep on producing the same amount, year after year... There is no demand, yet they don't adjust their supply... They think, Hey!, I know how we can fix the demand problem! Lets discount all our models and make even less money on every unit we sell, but KEEP on producing the same amount of product!

So now they are closing down plants... Now they are at the point where money saved is profit...

Not good business...


closing plants and firing people means they wont be able to put out the same amount of vehicles
unless im missing something here?

and goodwrench, i dont get your drift lol


How about robots ? Why should they have 30 people to do the job when they can buy 30 robots that do it faster and don't need a 15 minute bathroom brake every hour. Or a smoke brake or a lunch brake. Nope only need 1 or 2 techs to make sure the robots are running ok so why keep all those unrelieable people around?




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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:41 AM
What people don't see is that the Effencincy of the plants. When I got hired in '98 we were able to make 48 SUV's in an hour and would be lucky to make 280,000 SUV's in our plant a year. That was the 330 platform.

Now with the 360 platform going from 500 robots to 1200 robots in the Bodyshop alone. We have reduced the amount of bodies it takes to build our SUV's. Also with the new setup and banking system our Final line are able to build 75 SUV's an hour. We are also able to build 350,000 of them a year without a problem.

Our plant have won Harbour awards for the most efficient Mid Size SUV plant. GM is closing our sister plant in OKC that only built 35 an hour. And sometime this year they are going to lay off the 3rd shift at our plant. "Due to Market Demand" That will knock us down to about 250,000 a year with 2 shifts.


And yes as of right now I am on the chopping block when they lay off 3rd shift. I have been working for 7.5 years.






Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
Also I think the problem that GM and Ford have is that they have to shake off the Coolness of Media and others bashing them. With that they might change the it is Cool to buy an Import.





Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:17 AM
Wow thats a lot of SUV's you guys are cranking out !




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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:36 AM
Quote:

Also I think the problem that GM and Ford have is that they have to shake off the Coolness of Media and others bashing them. With that they might change the it is Cool to buy an Import.


I agree with this; We all know that any domestic manufacturer can't do anything good as far as the press is concerned; I know a scary number of people(Usually who know very little about cars) who take whatever they read in consumer reports, etc. as the word of Christ.





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Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:28 PM
There are many reasons why the big three have problems...

But here in the US..there is one-Product.

Guess they should have got the hint sooner....




Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:34 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and blame it all on the BS cost of gas... 2.15 at noon, 2.50 4 hours later, ooooooooook... @!#$ @!#$s
Re: Now its Ford's turn - 30,000 jobs, 14 plants
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:04 PM
MKSkud wrote:Honda, Toyota, and most other car companies, if they have a situation where they aren't selling the product, what do they do? They cut back production to the point where they can meet the demand and still make target profit on each unit...


Ford, GM, when they aren't selling the product, they keep on producing the same amount, year after year... There is no demand, yet they don't adjust their supply... They think, Hey!, I know how we can fix the demand problem! Lets discount all our models and make even less money on every unit we sell, but KEEP on producing the same amount of product!

So now they are closing down plants... Now they are at the point where money saved is profit...

Not good business...


This is a problem. And why Import brands come out looking like the heroes. Sure they build a superior product, but also have a superior business model. I think cutting back on product over over flow and cutting 1000's of jobs. maybe cut a few shifts...slow down the line a tad and produce a bit less and give workers time to focus on quality.

Dave Z wrote:There are many reasons why the big three have problems...

But here in the US..there is one-Product.

Guess they should have got the hint sooner....


i agree. but i also think they realize this and are making those changes. it just takes time to roll out the product. your right though they sould have seen this sooner.










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