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Ebraking in winter
Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:56 PM
I was just wondering how bad it is on your car to e-brake in the winter with the ground covered in snow/ice? What are the effects of it...i looked it up on the internet and it said it was just as bad as daily braking.



Re: Ebraking in winter
Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:19 PM
e-brake should only be used to park. And it shouldnt have any effect. If you use your e-brake in traffic, you are seriously screwing up your drums and your tires...



Re: Ebraking in winter
Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:09 PM
If you decide to have fun in an EMPTY parking, it's up to you as long as it's ALL covered in snow or ice.... if you are drifting and you get on a spot where there's asphalt it's really not good for your car





Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:22 AM
Dry ground you'll flat spot your tires. Snow and ice you'll have fun. Just be careful of lamp poles in the parking lots they can come up quick and spoil all your fun.

Now go do some snow drifting!!




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:39 AM
and be careful cops dont see you cause you will get fined for it if caught.


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Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:19 PM
Actually used mine last night to avoid rearending a car. We had our first snow fall last night and people don't know how to drive. The lady in front of my slammed on her brakes to stop at a yellow light and I pulled my brake to slow me down. Worked out really well.






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Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:09 PM
this is fair warning.. once the car has skidded more than 90 degrees in either direction... even less on ice and snow... its pretty much impossible to stop the spin until the car comes to rest. DONT DO IT unless theres nothing to hit!!! cars can slide further than one might think... and using it on slippery corners can leave you stranded backwards in the middle of an intersection as the lights are changing. not good. im not saying dont do it, im saying... make sure nothing is in the way




Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:25 PM
89Sunbird wrote:e-brake should only be used to park.


Then what brake should you use in emergencies?

Quote:

If you use your e-brake in traffic, you are seriously screwing up your drums and your tires


How will you screw up your drums by using the brakes?
Re: Ebraking in winter
Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:43 PM
Mike Brock wrote:
89Sunbird wrote:e-brake should only be used to park.


Then what brake should you use in emergencies?

Quote:

If you use your e-brake in traffic, you are seriously screwing up your drums and your tires


How will you screw up your drums by using the brakes?



ebrake uses your rear drum brakes... if you pull it when going a good speed it basically puts alot of pressure on only your rear brakes to stop the car... which if you think about it

brake shoes getting pressed extremely hard against the drums at 45 mph.... its gonna do some extreme wear on the shoes and drums




Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 5:43 AM
wouldn't kinda screw up the strut mounts too?





Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 6:14 AM
yeah you guys who never use your ebrake go in a pakring lot and tear that @!#$ up on a 10 degree day

lets see how fast that bitch snaps


-Borsty

Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 7:14 AM
i use my ebrake every day...to park.



Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 7:47 AM
Why is everyone over thinking this? When there is a couple inches of snow on the ground hit a BIG EMPTY parking lot that has none of those little concrete things we all
scrape our front on when we park and then go at about 30 mph cut the whell hard and
yank up the e-brake and have fun. Don't go nuts with the yanking and as long as everything is ok then you shouldn't hurt anything. I done it every year since I was 16
and I've never had a problem at all. Its not illegal here in MD to slide in the snow and
as long as noone asks you to leave then the police can't ticket you for it. The only thing they could get you for would be trespassing if you had been asked to leave and you refused.




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 8:14 AM
Hell I have done all kind of dumb @!#$ in the snow with the ebrake as long as you are not hitting dry spots you will be fine. It is added stress to the rear brakes, but as long as you car is in good working order you will be fine.

You can mess up you strut mounts, but going from wet to dry. My brother has proven that to me in his car.

I prefer slowly pulling on e-brake will turning and holding button in so you can put ebrake back down quickly if need be.




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 1:13 PM
not meaning to steal the post, but since we're talking about brakes, my dad and I were talking about me replacing my drums wish discs, he said he doesn't think I would have an e-brake then? Any truth in that?
Re: Ebraking in winter
Friday, November 18, 2005 1:20 PM
No you can still have the E-brake. In fact if you look around a little there is a post that explains how to install Neon rear discs on our cars.




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:53 PM
To echo what everyone else said, it's not really going to hurt your vehicle, just be careful not to hit anything.

When on snow and ice, the coefficient of friction between your tires and the ground (snow) is fairly low, meaning it's pretty easy to slide. In other words, it won't take much pressure on the e-brake to stop the rear tires (and then hopefully slide sideways). The argument about putting a lot of stress/wear on the rear shoes and drums would be valid if you were trying to use it to stop the vehicle on dry pavement at some speed. But we're talking about slow speeds here and almost no resistance from those rear tires. Depending on the surface on which you're driving (like if it were really icy), you could stop those rear tires by hand.

Where you DO stand to do damage to your car, like one member alluded to above, is if you're sliding sideways across a parking lot and come across a dry patch. As you slide sideways, and a tire catches dry pavement, one of many not-so-good things could happen:

1) You could damage the tire or rip it off the wheel.
2) You could probably damage the wheel.
3) You could damage or bend the suspension of that wheel.
4) I suppose in an extreme case, that tire could provide enough of a momentum disrupter to flip your car over, but I wouldn't say that's probable.

In short, as long as you know you're on one huge sheet of fairly consistent ice, go have fun.


Jason
North Carolina

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2003 Dodge Grand Caravan (50k miles)
Re: Ebraking in winter
Monday, November 21, 2005 2:05 PM
what are you guys talking about, when you slam you brakes al though you dont think it but you are using, hydrolic pressure which for those of you who dont know alot of pressure, using you ebrake is obviusly is not the best thing to do but really you can do what ever you want your tires pay for it more then anything, you are basically trying to stop rotation of the tire to allow for a slide, make sure there is snow an no probe like the dude said before make sure you dont hit dry spot, and silly thing we do in out cars, can cause damage just be carefull, (watch some rally racing) i know you guys are going to say those cars are modded to handel it yha to handel it in dry sand or gravel and pavemetn ant high speeds on every turn, bit of a difference

and i know because i have done it many time with no issues, if you hit a dry spot unless it is a pot hole or thy dry spot is huge, then you are still of make sure you tires are good just like with any thing else



Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:47 AM
PAKIPOWER, the e-brake does not use "hydraulic" pressure. It's a mechanical cable. And we're talking about using the e-brake on snow here. It takes very little force to slide a tire on the snow...meaning it won't take much brake pressure at all to stop the rear tires on snow.


Jason
North Carolina

1997 Cadillac SLS (147k miles)
2003 Dodge Grand Caravan (50k miles)
Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:21 PM
PAKIPOWER wrote:.......... hydrolic pressure..................ebrake.......



Hydraulic pressure and E-brake should not be in the same sentence. If your e-brake was under Hydraulic pressure when you break a brake line, how are you going to stop......

Anyway go have fun in the snow!




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:23 PM
/\ /\ /\ /\ What he said.




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Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:15 PM
Tips for winter fun

1. Put good snow tires only on the front wheels of your FWD car. Leave bald pieces of crap in the rear
2. Go to large parking lot.
3. Have fun with E-brake
- have people ask you "I didn't know those came in RWD" after some 5 full revolutions nonstop at 35mph and things you weren't think were possible.
Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:38 PM
Me like e-braking



Just be careful and don't try to go fast if you're a beginner!!!





Re: Ebraking in winter
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:20 PM
I remember last year-- I had blizzacks on the front- and my 18"s on the back...

I could pull the e-brake and literally drive down the street almost sideways for a good bit...




Re: Ebraking in winter
Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:55 AM
Ghost thats awesome!!!!!! GOD I can't wait for snow!!!!!




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