Is this possible to switch from manual windows to power windows ? I mean i got power locks ... and i got a fuse thingy for the power windows ? If possible how do i go about doing this !!! Thanks
first you have to decide if you want to use a universal kit, such as the ones
this site provides, or an OEM replacement such as
this one.
Then its just a matter of installation and wiring (in a nutshell)
You could take off the door panel and see if the connection is already there. If you have power locks it may be possible that you already have the wiring in place. If you do this there may be a connector that has two thick wires one is a light brown and I forgot what the other color was, that is for your power windows. There may also be another connector that has three wires a red/w white line a blue or light blue w/ white line and I forget what the third is, that is for power mirrors. If you have that you are half way there if not you have to do the wiring yourself.
I had a bottom of the line (power nothing) Cavy and now it has power windows, locks (with key-less), mirrors and so on, so yes it is possible.
what if you just put a new door on that has power windows/locks, are you able to wire that up, and it work?
My questions are -
What do you do about hole for window crank?
Am I correct, you have to remove whole window assembly to put power windows in?
Power locks, what did you do with button?
Ravaged83 wrote:You could take off the door panel and see if the connection is already there. If you have power locks it may be possible that you already have the wiring in place. If you do this there may be a connector that has two thick wires one is a light brown and I forgot what the other color was, that is for your power windows. There may also be another connector that has three wires a red/w white line a blue or light blue w/ white line and I forget what the third is, that is for power mirrors. If you have that you are half way there if not you have to do the wiring yourself.
I had a bottom of the line (power nothing) Cavy and now it has power windows, locks (with key-less), mirrors and so on, so yes it is possible.
Chef Dug wrote:My questions are -
What do you do about hole for window crank?
Am I correct, you have to remove whole window assembly to put power windows in?
Power locks, what did you do with button?
To answer the question about the hole I just went to my local pick-a-part (junkyard) and bought the left and right (my car is a 2 door Cavy) door panels from a Z24 Cavy to replace my holy ones. The Z24 door panels also already had the holes for the power door lock switchs so problem solved.
To remove the window assembly is not that hard. You just take the two nuts off the assembly that hold the glass to it, take the glass out of the door (very carefully). After this comes the fun part, you must drill out the rivets that hold the assembly in place and the holes for the power assembly are already there, so you just line it up and you can use some lock nuts, screws, washers and lock tight (if you want I did just in case) to attach the power assembly to the door. Carefully put the glass back in the door (very carefully), put the two nuts back on connect the wire and test (carefully).
if youre going to buy the motor kits and such your easiest bet may be just go to the local you pull it and grab two doors with power windows in them already..
when youre there remove the glass so you dont get charged extra for that
you can also remove the interior panels so you dont get charged for them either.
as for where to put the power locks, if you re use the old panels instead of keeping the ones from the new doors
just place the powerlock button through the whole where the window crank used to be, or glass the hole and place the new hole anywhere on the panel you like.
Im not good with relays. is it a pain in the ass to wire it up? i got a 4dr sunfire, but could live with the front 2 power and rear 2 manual.
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the wiring is not there for Power Windows, if you have a power sunroof, you'll have the proper power relay and you can tap directly into the plug in the right kick panel
you'll have to set up 2 relays to have it working
the hardest part is drilling out the rivets
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier
5-spd
BlkCav wrote:the wiring is not there for Power Windows, if you have a power sunroof, you'll have the proper power relay and you can tap directly into the plug in the right kick panel
you'll have to set up 2 relays to have it working
the hardest part is drilling out the rivets
A power window circuit requires no relays whatsoever...Neither do power lock circuits either.
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
oops, i'm sorry, circuit breaker.
you'll need 2 relays to set up the windows to run off the stock switch (the proper/safe way)
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier
5-spd
I got a universal spal kit for my car. Works great only thing is that they are a little noisy. Haven't had any problems in cold weather either.
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Alex Richards wrote:BlkCav wrote:the wiring is not there for Power Windows, if you have a power sunroof, you'll have the proper power relay and you can tap directly into the plug in the right kick panel
you'll have to set up 2 relays to have it working
the hardest part is drilling out the rivets
A power window circuit requires no relays whatsoever...Neither do power lock circuits either.
power locks do have relays, even factory ones do
Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:BlkCav wrote:the wiring is not there for Power Windows, if you have a power sunroof, you'll have the proper power relay and you can tap directly into the plug in the right kick panel
you'll have to set up 2 relays to have it working
the hardest part is drilling out the rivets
A power window circuit requires no relays whatsoever...Neither do power lock circuits either.
power locks do have relays, even factory ones do
Only ones with keyless entry, and thats only because a module has to be able to initiate a lock or unlock task and typically is only capable of handling a few hundred milliamps of current to do so. Otherwise a normal power lock circuit needs no relays whatsoever.
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
my 1994 suburban does not have keyless entry and has factory relays for the locks.
Stephen wrote:my 1994 suburban does not have keyless entry and has factory relays for the locks.
Your 98 suburban locks automatically after you start it and unlocks when you shut it off does it not? When only buttons are used inside the vehicle for locks there is no need for relays aside from prolonging the life of the switches. Thats all relays are ever used for. To allow the control of a relative high amperage circuit using a low amperage circuit, Prolonging the life of the switch and in the PCM/BCM/Alarm modules case, reducing the need for heavier duty transistors and switching devices.
When a PWR door or PWR window circuit is at rest all switches ground everything, you "switch" to power on through one switch, it grounds through the motor and the other side of that switch and runs one direction. The opposite is true in the other direction. Thats why when theres a bad master switch (usually on drivers side) none of the locks or windows will go up or down, they all ground through that switch.
IF you have a haynes manual flip to the electrical diagrams section. page 12-25 has the non-keyless entry diagram on the bottom. Note, no relays needed :-)
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
my suburban is a 94, and no it does not lock by its self at anytime.
what you got for that?
anyone have a diagram on how to wire up the power locks? i have actuators installed just need to wire them up to a switch.
Did I mention I drive a 2000 Lumina now?-----wigm-tuners.org member
I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
Alex Richards wrote:I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
i bet it has 2 relays to reverse polarity
Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
i bet it has 2 relays to reverse polarity
Why would you EVER want to reverse polarity? There is no need. MAybe if you understood what a relay is you would understand why you dont need one...
A relay is nothing more then a switch that is controlled by electricity. As i stated before it is used so that a LOW amperage circuit can be used to control a High amperage circuit. This extends the life of switches and minimizes the size and complexity of computer modules controlling circuits.
i.e. WE have a switch that controls the cooling fan. The cooling fan is rated at 15amps. That means we have to use a switch and wiring rated for 15 amps. Instead we can wire the circuit with a relay...like this...Using the bigger 12ga. wire to run from the switched side of the relay to the fan and a small 500mA switch and 20ga. wire to turn that relay on and off, thus controlling the fan.
Again, the ONLY reason they used to put relays in power lock and window circuits was to conserve the switches, it extends switch life and since most people like an easy to operate and safe vehicle it provides easier switch operation and a safer place to put your fingers, because you dont have to have heavy, large contacts to deal with the higher amperages.
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
Alex Richards wrote:Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
i bet it has 2 relays to reverse polarity
Why would you EVER want to reverse polarity? There is no need. MAybe if you understood what a relay is you would understand why you dont need one...
A relay is nothing more then a switch that is controlled by electricity. As i stated before it is used so that a LOW amperage circuit can be used to control a High amperage circuit. This extends the life of switches and minimizes the size and complexity of computer modules controlling circuits.
i.e. WE have a switch that controls the cooling fan. The cooling fan is rated at 15amps. That means we have to use a switch and wiring rated for 15 amps. Instead we can wire the circuit with a relay...like this...Using the bigger 12ga. wire to run from the switched side of the relay to the fan and a small 500mA switch and 20ga. wire to turn that relay on and off, thus controlling the fan.
Again, the ONLY reason they used to put relays in power lock and window circuits was to conserve the switches, it extends switch life and since most people like an easy to operate and safe vehicle it provides easier switch operation and a safer place to put your fingers, because you dont have to have heavy, large contacts to deal with the higher amperages.
thanks jackass i know exactly what a relay is. Im going to school for electronics in my last year.
just do it the right way.
http://www.the12volt.com/12voltimages/actuatorrevpol.gif
and your diagram looks like @!#$.
Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
i bet it has 2 relays to reverse polarity
Why would you EVER want to reverse polarity? There is no need. MAybe if you understood what a relay is you would understand why you dont need one...
A relay is nothing more then a switch that is controlled by electricity. As i stated before it is used so that a LOW amperage circuit can be used to control a High amperage circuit. This extends the life of switches and minimizes the size and complexity of computer modules controlling circuits.
i.e. WE have a switch that controls the cooling fan. The cooling fan is rated at 15amps. That means we have to use a switch and wiring rated for 15 amps. Instead we can wire the circuit with a relay...like this...Using the bigger 12ga. wire to run from the switched side of the relay to the fan and a small 500mA switch and 20ga. wire to turn that relay on and off, thus controlling the fan.
Again, the ONLY reason they used to put relays in power lock and window circuits was to conserve the switches, it extends switch life and since most people like an easy to operate and safe vehicle it provides easier switch operation and a safer place to put your fingers, because you dont have to have heavy, large contacts to deal with the higher amperages.
thanks jackass i know exactly what a relay is. Im going to school for electronics in my last year.
just do it the right way.
http://www.the12volt.com/12voltimages/actuatorrevpol.gif
and your diagram looks like @!#$.
Butthurt much?
Thanks for proving my point though considering the diagram you posted was using an alarm module to control the lock and unlocking of the doors....
Buildin' n' Boostin for 08' - Alex Richards
Alex Richards wrote:Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:Stephen wrote:Alex Richards wrote:I can draw one up if you like, PM me if you want me to. Im sure I can get you something drawn up.
i bet it has 2 relays to reverse polarity
Why would you EVER want to reverse polarity? There is no need. MAybe if you understood what a relay is you would understand why you dont need one...
A relay is nothing more then a switch that is controlled by electricity. As i stated before it is used so that a LOW amperage circuit can be used to control a High amperage circuit. This extends the life of switches and minimizes the size and complexity of computer modules controlling circuits.
i.e. WE have a switch that controls the cooling fan. The cooling fan is rated at 15amps. That means we have to use a switch and wiring rated for 15 amps. Instead we can wire the circuit with a relay...like this...Using the bigger 12ga. wire to run from the switched side of the relay to the fan and a small 500mA switch and 20ga. wire to turn that relay on and off, thus controlling the fan.
Again, the ONLY reason they used to put relays in power lock and window circuits was to conserve the switches, it extends switch life and since most people like an easy to operate and safe vehicle it provides easier switch operation and a safer place to put your fingers, because you dont have to have heavy, large contacts to deal with the higher amperages.
thanks jackass i know exactly what a relay is. Im going to school for electronics in my last year.
just do it the right way.
http://www.the12volt.com/12voltimages/actuatorrevpol.gif
and your diagram looks like @!#$.
Butthurt much?
Thanks for proving my point though considering the diagram you posted was using an alarm module to control the lock and unlocking of the doors....
are you really that stupid? it does not take a alarm module to put out a negative signal. thats what you switch is for.
Not butthurt at all. you just dont know what your talking about.
