i replaced the starter which i thought was the problem, but it still does the same thing, The starter spins the flywheel, (you can see it spin through the inspection hole), but the motor dosent even attempt to turn over. just wondering if anyone else has had a similar problem, im at a loss
Manual or auto? If manual is the flywheel stock or aftermarket? If auto, did you hear any "rattle" that could have been the flexplate moving due to being cracked? Also check to see if you can grab the flywheel/flexplate and wiggle it.
If its spinning the flywheel, its doing its job. You have a no-start condition. The engine getting fuel and spark?
John Higgins wrote:Per his profile it is a auto.
I did not recall seeing a car listed when I made my post. I may have missed it or it may have been added after my post.
Is the engine spinning ant not firing or is just the flexplate turning?
its a manual, i had my buddy push me with his car and if you dump the clutch it starts/runs perfect, but no go on starting it once i shut it off
KmKmOb wrote:its a manual, i had my buddy push me with his car and if you dump the clutch it starts/runs perfect, but no go on starting it once i shut it off
Sounds like a starter/flywheel issue. I would pull the starter off take it and have it tested.
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Stock flywheel or aftermarket?
mitdr774 wrote:Manual or auto? If manual is the flywheel stock or aftermarket? If auto, did you hear any "rattle" that could have been the flexplate moving due to being cracked? Also check to see if you can grab the flywheel/flexplate and wiggle it.
John Higgins wrote:Per his profile it is a auto.
Just by going off of the title of the thread I'm gonna reach out on a limb say its a manual......lol
So the motor runs when the car is pushed but doesn't start when cranked with the starter? Maybe voltage, one big difference besides RPM speed of the two scenarios when trying to start the engine is going to be the voltage the electrical system is at when the engine is trying to fire. Have you tried putting a charger on the battery when you crank it over?
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i tried that too, if i turn the motor by the flywheel with a small prybar you can feel the belt move but when you crank it with the starter, the flywheel spins but the belt goes nowhere hence the motors not turning over at all. the clutch and all components are new/ with a new slave also. The flywheel is stock but i did have it turned before putting it back together.
So...your saying that the starter is turning the flywheel gear but not the crank(serpentine belt/pulley on the front of the motor). if that really is the case then that sucks....you have a cracked flywheel, interesting that it would start(when pushed) or even better drive once started.
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Just thinking maybe just the ring gear welds busted. that would allow you to push start and drive the motor but wouldn't allow the starter to turn the motor. Just a thought. either way you need to drop the trans and take a look.
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KmKmOb wrote:i tried that too, if i turn the motor by the flywheel with a small prybar you can feel the belt move but when you crank it with the starter, the flywheel spins but the belt goes nowhere hence the motors not turning over at all. the clutch and all components are new/ with a new slave also. The flywheel is stock but i did have it turned before putting it back together.
Sounds like the starter. Sounds like the starter is turning, but not kicking out to engage with the flywheel.
FU Tuning
the starter is brand new...
Being brand new doesnt really mean a whole lot when it comes to mechanical/electrical parts. Check it again and be sure it is functioning correctly.
KmKmOb wrote:i tried that too, if i turn the motor by the flywheel with a small prybar you can feel the belt move but when you crank it with the starter, the flywheel spins but the belt goes nowhere
John Higgins wrote:Sounds like the starter. Sounds like the starter is turning, but not kicking out to engage with the flywheel.
Unless what he said earlier wasn't correct it can't be that the solenoid isn't kicking out the gear on the starter. If what he said is indeed accurate it has to be a busted ring gear. However there is the turning by hand deal but when he was turning it by hand he could have caught an edge enough for the gear to catch traction around the flywheel. Plausible..........
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Joshua Dearman wrote:KmKmOb wrote:i tried that too, if i turn the motor by the flywheel with a small prybar you can feel the belt move but when you crank it with the starter, the flywheel spins but the belt goes nowhere
John Higgins wrote:Sounds like the starter. Sounds like the starter is turning, but not kicking out to engage with the flywheel.
Unless what he said earlier wasn't correct it can't be that the solenoid isn't kicking out the gear on the starter. If what he said is indeed accurate it has to be a busted ring gear. However there is the turning by hand deal but when he was turning it by hand he could have caught an edge enough for the gear to catch traction around the flywheel. Plausible..........
Well I see you like to read into things too much. See if you are putting a prybar, screwdriver or anyhting else on the flywheel while the tranny and motor are still in the car your going to be on the teeth.Which means grabing the ring gear. SO it would not matter. Seeing as how little space there is to work catching the actually flywheel and being able to trully turn it is not likely. Hince why I hyave said what I have. I'm sure you are going to come back with some other reasoning in why I'm wrong because you know more than everyone else here.
FU Tuning
^WOW.......you sure can move on huh?
Of course your going to be on the teeth...duh...thats what I said, but by "prying" on them you would be pushing the ring gear onto the flywheel which may help it grab traction and thus turn the motor, where the starter wouldn't have the same push and the ring gear could then slip.
Yeah you must be right cause the starter can turn the flywheel without the solenoid pushing the gear out.......geeesh. Think about it man, for someone who thinks they know more than anybody else tell me how that works.
well i broke down and tore the trans out again and it did turn out to be the flywheel, when i took it off and set it on the ground the ring gear completely came off with little force.
KmKmOb wrote:well i broke down and tore the trans out again and it did turn out to be the flywheel, when i took it off and set it on the ground the ring gear completely came off with little force.
Wow. First time I heard of this on a J. I was wrong.
FU Tuning
Joshua Dearman wrote:Just by going off of the title of the thread I'm gonna reach out on a limb say its a manual......lol
how would you have gathered that?
the Getrag came both auto and manual. . . .
Brad wrote:Joshua Dearman wrote:Just by going off of the title of the thread I'm gonna reach out on a limb say its a manual......lol
how would you have gathered that?
the Getrag came both auto and manual. . . .
No not in a J it did not. Only reason I questioned is a lot of people who are not as into car things would say just that, and consider them the same, when they are not.
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John Higgins wrote:Brad wrote:Joshua Dearman wrote:Just by going off of the title of the thread I'm gonna reach out on a limb say its a manual......lol
how would you have gathered that?
the Getrag came both auto and manual. . . .
No not in a J it did not. Only reason I questioned is a lot of people who are not as into car things would say just that, and consider them the same, when they are not.
^John is absolutely right, Getrag does make automatics but not for a J. Very true statement there^, I guess I assume a little too much knowledge but I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he mentions a flywheel aswell and both words were spelled correctly and most peoples registry isn't up to date anyway and could have sold his auto and bought a manual.
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Brad wrote:Joshua Dearman wrote:Just by going off of the title of the thread I'm gonna reach out on a limb say its a manual......lol
how would you have gathered that?
the Getrag came both auto and manual. . . .
If you looked at his profile it said he had an auto. I know the Getrag is a 5 speed for our cars.
