does anybody know anywhere on this site or anywhere else that have have turboed a 96 2.2l sunfire and show pictures or explain it or even both
i am in the process of doing this to my car and want some more backround on it
you gotta search buddy, most people are gonna tell you the same thing. i already gave you a basis to start your search on on HMT. start reading
haha your on this site too i thought i might get a varity of people believe me i have been searching and finding a lot i just thought some other people would have ideas and all that its a part of searching
You'll be lucky to find someone who is boosting the 95-97 2.2 OHVs...
The reason I say that is because they use side feed injectors...no company on the market offers anything for you to upgrade your injectors nor can you use injectors from another vehicle. You're gonna need injectors to supply your motor with the proper amount of fuel, if you don't...detonation...bye bye motor.
The only way around it is to do a top feed conversion which is quite involved from what I hear.
So you have 3 options:
1. Do a Top Feed Conversion
2. Swap in another motor
3. Boost it and detonate (but you'll pretty much end up swapping in another motor after that happends anyways).
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NJHK (The JBO Negro) wrote:You'll be lucky to find someone who is boosting the 95-97 2.2 OHVs...
The reason I say that is because they use side feed injectors...no company on the market offers anything for you to upgrade your injectors nor can you use injectors from another vehicle. You're gonna need injectors to supply your motor with the proper amount of fuel, if you don't...detonation...bye bye motor.
The only way around it is to do a top feed conversion which is quite involved from what I hear.
So you have 3 options:
1. Do a Top Feed Conversion
2. Swap in another motor
3. Boost it and detonate (but you'll pretty much end up swapping in another motor after that happends anyways).
I think that Venomperfomance.com makes injectors for his vehicle?
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Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:I think that Venomperfomance.com makes injectors for his vehicle?
Please don't start...
Venom 'makes' injectors that flow 10% more than stock. So if you're looking to make a killer 140hp BEAST, then maybe look into them. Also note that not many people have been able to install them without them leaking afterwards.
As slowolej has stated before, Saturn TBI injectors will fit, but you have to have control of your ECU to run them, so a standalone is needed for anything 96+.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
OHV notec wrote:Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:I think that Venomperfomance.com makes injectors for his vehicle?
Please don't start...
Venom 'makes' injectors that flow 10% more than stock. So if you're looking to make a killer 140hp BEAST, then maybe look into them. Also note that not many people have been able to install them without them leaking afterwards.
As slowolej has stated before, Saturn TBI injectors will fit, but you have to have control of your ECU to run them, so a standalone is needed for anything 96+.
wtf! who's starting? it was mearly a question.
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Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:OHV notec wrote:Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:I think that Venomperfomance.com makes injectors for his vehicle?
Please don't start...
Venom 'makes' injectors that flow 10% more than stock. So if you're looking to make a killer 140hp BEAST, then maybe look into them. Also note that not many people have been able to install them without them leaking afterwards.
As slowolej has stated before, Saturn TBI injectors will fit, but you have to have control of your ECU to run them, so a standalone is needed for anything 96+.
wtf! who's starting? it was mearly a question.
Sorry, it's just that this comes up A LOT...
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
so swap them off the saturn and change around my fuel management
if this comes up a lot what other problems to people run into
OHV notec wrote:Please don't start...Venom 'makes' injectors that flow 10% more than stock. So if you're looking to make a killer 140hp BEAST, then maybe look into them.
LOL @ 140hp BEAST! this made me laugh out loud.
Your best bet is to decide how far you want to go, and how much power you want to make. And from there you can either choose a top feed conversion, a standalone with 4 TBI's, or some other crappy band-aid method.
If you build your 2.2 for boost, you wont run into too many problems...
There are more ways to add fuel than a top feed conversion and the saturn tbi stuff.
An FMU -raises fuel pressure
EIC-extra injector controller -injectors on intake.
or an extra fuel rail could added controlled by a stand alone or EIC -what im working on.
Some ways will be "easier"
Oh yeah ...it helps to search
Robbie c wrote:There are more ways to add fuel than a top feed conversion and the saturn tbi stuff.
An FMU -raises fuel pressure
EIC-extra injector controller -injectors on intake.
or an extra fuel rail could added controlled by a stand alone or EIC -what im working on.
Some ways will be "easier"
Oh yeah ...it helps to search
Hmmm, my thought on these:
1) at a 12:1 ratio, you'll max out your injectors (90psi IIRC) at 4psi boost
2) you have to start wondering about fuel 'puddling' when you run big-azz injector(s) that far up the intake stream
3) you're basically just doing a top-feed conversion, but using more parts
(although I understand the extra injectors could be operated under boost-only conditions, making tuning easier.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
so whats the pros and cons of the top feed vs. the extra fuel rail and all that
Using a seperate fuel rail allows you to let the stock computer handle fuel when not in boost. This eliminates the need for tuning large injectors at idle under a low fuel pressure, takes most part-throttle low-RPM tuning out of the equation, and allows for easier 'back to stock' for emissions purposes
But, if you're planning on running a stand-alone anyway, a regular top-feed conversion like the one that started this now off-topic thread eliminates a lot of parts, and doesn't use more stuff which may just get in the way even more. It also doesn't take up more room on the intake runners...room that could potentially be used for a direct-port nitrous setup
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
haha let me build the kit first so basically just do the converstion and keep the room im relativly new on all this so don't laugh at me but with the top feed convestion it allows me to put bigger injectors in right but why can't i do it where they are now
Because you're engine uses 'side-fed' injectors, which are basically used on this engine only, meaning you can't get them in bigger sizes. Converting to 'top-fed' injectors allows you to pick from any size injector you could possibly want. The top-fed injectors won't work with the current setup. You need a different style injector bung to hold the injector, and a fuel rail to feed the injectors. You'll also need the wiring harness for the new injectors.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
alright thanks for keeping with me so basically there is a ton of work that needs to be done to get this done can i use the stock manifold
check out
this post, as well as
this one. There is one or two more floating around, but I don't have links for them.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
hey thanks basically after this whole injector thing what other problems arise
swap in a 90-93 oil pump, make sure all your bearings, gaskets, and lifters are good, get some decent fuel/ignition management, and boost the crap out of it
Of course you could also do it the right way and add some forged rods/pistons, upgraded headgasket, and stainless valves.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
stevefire wrote:OHV notec wrote:Please don't start...Venom 'makes' injectors that flow 10% more than stock. So if you're looking to make a killer 140hp BEAST, then maybe look into them.
LOL @ 140hp BEAST! this made me laugh out loud.
140 HP is a beast... if you have Yugo.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
This is just a thought.... i have a 90 with a single tbi which puts out 56lbs/hr just 1 injector, if you really want to get creative swap a throttle body in that bad boy like a few posts up said and put a ecm from a 90 and run that way. right now I run 9psi with a 10:1fmu tuned and running just fine. (with a t3-super60) now of course I don't really want to push more than that because of stock internals. but really thats all I wanted anyway.
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