I was looking at wild weasels post on the top j-bodies and I noticed for the power adder section for the 2200 engine that #5 came in at a 15.5 1/4 mile time. I thought there would be alot more under that number. Is it just because not many have seen the post, or are there really that few running those types of numbers??
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ha ha, i dont know what it is, but the two boosted 2.2's in st louis are running mid 14's
My 2.2 ran a 13.2. I probably could have gotten it down to a high 12 if the clutch wasnt slipping and I wasnt spinning off the line.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
Why put all that work into a 2200 when the potential is just not there. With all the money you will spend on a 2200, you could do an Ecotec turbo that will be 123230871 times better and more reliable.
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How is the potential not there? My 2.2 put down 275hp and 305 torque at 15psi of boost.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
How much money did you spend to get it there?? Probably not much less than it would cost to do an Ecotec. I've priced out Ecotec motors at the junkyard for around $850 with the tranny. Add a nice turbo setup and all the misc. stuff and your looking at around 4K without install.
Another question, why do you think your one of the ONLY ones to have this kind of power on a 2200?? If there was so much potential there don't you think more people would be getting those kind of numbers??? Motors like Honda's B-series have potential and thats why you see a lot of guys getting similar numbers......it doesn't seem to be that way with the 2200 motor. I see a lot of guys with turbos on their 2200's running low 15's high 14's.
Thats the point i'm trying to make. But very nice numbers none the less.
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^ lol
you're so blind and ignorant I dont know where to start.
Do you think they are an inferior engine because they have pushrods? lol I bet your mommy told you that.
you keep thinking what you want little boy
You are going to spend the same amount if not more money on building and swapping in a Ecotec motor. You will need the motor, trans, coolant lines, trans mounts, engine mounts,ecu, wiring harness, starter, etc.....
Why am I the only one that put down that kind of power out of a 2200? I have no idea, and I could care less. I do know that it just took a basic motor build, and a turbo set up done correctly to make that kind of power.
Maybe no one has put down those kind of numbers because they were scared since no one else has done it? It is the same with Mike Karas. People were saying to dump the 2.4 motor and go with the Ecotec because the Ecotec was so superior. Well, Mike K. put down over 400hp with a basic motor build, and a turbo kit done correctly. Ever since he has put down those numbers, I have seen other people with 2.4s having a 400+ horsepower goal.
I do not see how you could say that the 2.2 ohv doesnt have any potential. My 2200 at full weight is running close to the same times as other full weight turbo Ecotecs and turbo 2.4s.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
Did you read my post????? Did you? If you did, you would notice that there was NEVER mention of pushrods at all. But, because you have already proven yourself to be of lesser intelligence, i'll RE-EXPLAIN.....
The 2200 has little power from the factory, therefore, to make it have any type of power you need MORE mods which cost MORE money. The Ecotec motor, from the factory, has a very nice base from which to build from which in turn, will cost less money and be more reliable because you wont need to has as many modifications to make it fast....
Less modifications- less risk of breaking things.....
2200-more mods to make fast
Ecotec-less mods to make fast
Do you understand now, or do I have to write in bigger letters????
The Silver J......Ridin' Clean....
ConceptR.com
Adler....thats post above this one was not directed at you, it was directed at the other guy.
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Silvrdreamld904 wrote:The 2200 has little power from the factory, therefore, to make it have any type of power you need MORE mods which cost MORE money.
Nah, not more money. Just more boost
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
its all relative on how fast you want to go. For 1 person to build 2 different engines and want them to end up making the same power, then yes the ecotec will get you there with less money.
Its not about intelligence, and if it were, you wouldn't be arguing this point. If you're so smart already, then you know why people chose to or chose NOT to modify an 'inferior' engine.
Myself, I have no regard and no desire whatsoever for swapping over to an ecotec. They may be a superior engine compared to a 2200/2.2 stock for stock. But the work to do so is as intensive if not moreso then building a 2.2, IMO.
This topic has been beaten to death, and I feel as though I am flogging a dead horse. Go back and do a bit of research on past threads if this bothers you so damn much.
I dont mean to jump between you guys here. But I would rather build a 2200 because people are already under the asumption that the 2200 will always be slow as crapp. Granted i'm on spray right now I have suckered quite a few people into rancing my can-a-beer- and my poopy 2200, and once i even was told that he couldnt beleaive that he actually lost to a cavalier and that it wasnt even the Z lol......and currently my money is going into by caprice so i have a fast beater this winter.
In the end it is only about what YOU want to mod and how much you put into it. ( Not just money )
Well i say the 2200 is a BETTER engine to mod than the Ecoturd is.
Now argue with that.
If i had a cavy with an eco than thats what i would be building, if i had a 2.4 same thing. But its not worth the time and effort to do a swap and then build the motor and turbo it, becasue you will have spent more money than doing the 2200 and you can get the same power numbers fron any engine.
the 2200 is proven to be reliable, and can make some power when you know the limits of the engine, if you beat the piss out of any engine it will fail quickly. Besides that the 2200 is way easier to work on then the 2.4 or the eco.
Mike
1992 GMC Sonoma GT #492. Oh, Its just a stock V6!
1999 Cavalier Coupe, daily driver, 2200/M5. Mods and pics are in my registry.
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That pretty much says it all.
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HotRodV6 wrote: Besides that the 2200 is way easier to work on then the 2.4 or the eco.
That is very true!!! I would rather replace a headgasket & water pump on a 2200 that I would on a 2.4.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
I am so sick of this ECO vs OHC bull@!#$. Can't we all just get along? Any motor has potential. Any motor has its advantages and disadvantages. And just about any motor can be built heavily. With that said, I AM building a 2200 similar to Adler's setup... just @!#$in nuts. So... when my OHV puts down better times than your eco, then I would like to see something along the lines of... "gee i'm sorry i ever trashed on the OHV motors, I guess anyone can do something good with a little money and knowledge". So please, back off the pushrod motors. And just remember, original GM muscle, has always been and always will be pushrod motors 
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
ive seen some NA 2200 in the mid 15's
Phlatcav wrote:ive seen some NA 2200 in the mid 15's
all it takes is a 5spd and every single bolt on part available lol
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
I did a 15.4 witha 2.2l ohc at 5psi and a 3 speed now i want 14's.
I hit a 14.65 @ 98 MPH...... SO that would show with a clutch that isn;t slipping and without my heavy ass 17" rims with bald tires I would probably pull a 14.0 - 14.3 at 8.7 PSI.....
BTW the 14.65 @ 98 MPH... was with a 2.4 60'..........still with a 98 MPH trap......
Haha the 2200's CAN go fast........................................
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Well i say the 2200 is a BETTER engine to mod than the Ecoturd is.
Really, now that was just a stupid statement.
If anyone could magicly have a free cavalier any year they wanted to start there modding for free, or just start over there project car....no one would pick the 2200. For the most part it would be 2.4 cavs and ecotec cavs. But i know it just doesnt work like that and you mod what you got.
More OHV Haters.......I love it!!!!
I'll take my OHVs over any DOHC anyday
Suck on my push-rod
................Which car will hit 400 whp first???................
Deekster Jones wrote:Quote:
Well i say the 2200 is a BETTER engine to mod than the Ecoturd is.
Really, now that was just a stupid statement.
If anyone could magicly have a free cavalier any year they wanted to start there modding for free, or just start over there project car....no one would pick the 2200. For the most part it would be 2.4 cavs and ecotec cavs. But i know it just doesnt work like that and you mod what you got.
The problem arises when reality hits, and you realize that CARS AREN'T FREE.
With the extra money you spend to 'upgrade' to the ecotec, you could have a turbo bolted to your LN2 (Don't say it can't be done, I had a turbo on and running for less than $300 and it would have been under $200 if I was capable of welding myself at that time, just need to add some sort of fuel management).
Remember, other than maintenance, the LN2 will always have a power holding advantage with the iron block.
That guy up there ran better times than most bolt-on 5spd DOHC with his auto 2.2 and 5psi (You most defiantely don't have to open up the engine for 5psi).
Oh, and just for you...the next daily driver I have to buy is going to be a DOHC, and I'm going to swap in a little pushrod powerplant...just for you.
The greatest part of these arguments is always that more than half the people arguing for the ecotecs can't tell you why it puts out more power from the factory (and therefore can't understand why an LN2 can be on par when equally built)
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Silvrdreamld904 wrote:Did you read my post????? Did you? If you did, you would notice that there was NEVER mention of pushrods at all. But, because you have already proven yourself to be of lesser intelligence, i'll RE-EXPLAIN.....
The 2200 has little power from the factory, therefore, to make it have any type of power you need MORE mods which cost MORE money. The Ecotec motor, from the factory, has a very nice base from which to build from which in turn, will cost less money and be more reliable because you wont need to has as many modifications to make it fast....
Less modifications- less risk of breaking things.....
2200-more mods to make fast
Ecotec-less mods to make fast
Do you understand now, or do I have to write in bigger letters????
You're forgetting the fact that the DOHC engines have more moving parts than the OHV. That means that while we have to buy one cam for our cars, you would have to buy two cams, which last time I checked cost twice as much. Same with valves, etc. Some people don't have a choice when they get their car which engine they get, and I doubt many really buy their first Cavalier with performance in mind.
Now, you can pretty much throw out your theory on needing more mods, and realize that boost is the main equalizer here. A turbo setup will cost about the same either way, and it's cheaper to build an OHV than it is to build an Ecotec. With a properly built engine on boost, a 2200 can make more than enough power for our ancient-designed chassis to handle.
With all of that said, take a step back and look at what you've written, and then try to justify insulting other peoples intelligence.
