That's it, i'm buying a Saturn.
Damn..no kidding
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Seen the kit in person a few times when they first came out deffinently a nice kit but the price is pretty violent at 4k
208whp 239wtq
13.7 @ 102mph 2.19 60'
for $4000 i would expect alot better than that. i dunno doesn't look to amazing to me....
Derek Z24 wrote:for $4000 i would expect alot better than that. i dunno doesn't look to amazing to me....
Stock ecotec dyno at about 125-135 or so at the most? Correct? This dynoed at 249 to the wheels. Thats a gain of about 114-124 WHP out of a turbo kit. 4,000 dollars spent for about 115 WHP. Thats about 35 dollars per WHP. I think its worth it if you ask me. The key is to know how much boost they ran when dynoed at 249 WHP.
Hahn kit is much better than that
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
i second that
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
Well if we are talking in terms of HP, the Hahn kit is only rated at 235 (crank) HP @ 8psi for $3850
people go turbo because they can easily add boost and HP. add more fuel/timing retard and the hahn kit can efficiently run 20+ psi. same thing here i bet depending on the trim and such. so its better to look at the quality of the parts and the specs of the turbo as to the HP your kit can handle. a super 16g is good up to 400HP.. plus without rods and such you shouldnt run much more than 8 psi or 240ish HP. id rather be safe than looking for a replacement motor.
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
thats what im sort of geeting I mean how do you get the numbers that these guys produce is the turbo turned up to the setting that they made those numbers at. so from the minute I get the turbo on my car Ive got 249 to the wheels? that leaves me with the question if companies now that horse power sells why not just sell kits that are turned up a bit? but I guess in response you could say that your going to need some sort of mangment if you runn it harder. its all a numbers game.
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i'm with karo on this one. for forced induction $ to horsepower ratios... you can't really beat that. let's do the math ok?
65 horsepower gain for $3490 from Cavalier Connections (with intercooler) =
$53 / horserpower
$35 / hp for this kit? hmmmmmm suddenly I'm brilliant.
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but how much boost were they running at the time, those numbers donet mean @!#$ otherwise. almost anyturbo kit can put down those kinda #'s but how much boost do you have to run to do it?
Derek Z24 wrote:but how much boost were they running at the time, those numbers donet mean @!#$ otherwise. almost anyturbo kit can put down those kinda #'s but how much boost do you have to run to do it?
Consider this. Yes you can have 249 wheel horsepower from Hahns kit but you might need to buy a few things extra... maybe better fuel, or fuel management. That kit for 4000 has whatever you will need to run that much HP. But I think thats 249 Crank HP though... So id say maybe 12 PSI
Saturns are nice cars, people dont think they are but believe me I LOVE THEM!! I had a 94 SL2 4-door. It was a 2.4L and it was FAST! I wanted a turbo but before I could get one somebody pulled out in front of me and my car was about 6 feet shorter
It sucks. My little car could pull and haul balls, everybody in town was supprised when I beat them. All I had was a little exhust work and an air filter. I lowered it about 3 1/2" and shaved everything, all door handles, body lines everything. I miss my baby!
Bah, me and Rich could build a kit that puts out just as much power and includes computer based fuel management for a little more than half of the cost of that. It just wouldn't have the polished pipe and carbon fiber bling.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
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'Nuff said
Jersey Jay 1.8T wrote:Bah, me and Rich could build a kit that puts out just as much power and includes computer based fuel management for a little more than half of the cost of that. It just wouldn't have the polished pipe and carbon fiber bling.
Ok, DUH! You can always build a kit yourself for usually have the price of buying a kit from a company. But the majority of us dont have that knowledge and/or resources to build a kit, thus we buy prefabbed kits. If everybody possessed that knowledge all the turbo kit companies, GReddy, HKS, Turbonetics, Hahn, would go out of business. I think we all already know that, but thanks for making sure, what would we do without you?
CavalieRX wrote:Jersey Jay 1.8T wrote:Bah, me and Rich could build a kit that puts out just as much power and includes computer based fuel management for a little more than half of the cost of that. It just wouldn't have the polished pipe and carbon fiber bling.
Ok, DUH! You can always build a kit yourself for usually have the price of buying a kit from a company. But the majority of us dont have that knowledge and/or resources to build a kit, thus we buy prefabbed kits. If everybody possessed that knowledge all the turbo kit companies, GReddy, HKS, Turbonetics, Hahn, would go out of business. I think we all already know that, but thanks for making sure, what would we do without you?
this is half true. think about HKS and Turbonetics. We can't all pioneer and manufacture leading technological breakthroughs in turbochargers, electronics, and other parts. Leaders such as Greddy, HKS, Turbonetics .... will never ever go out of business. There's always a need for something new and they provide us with the leading edge.
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Good point Spotabee we would still need them for their Turbos and BOV but thats prally about it... no more $4000 kits being sold... Theyll prally up the prices on their turbos if that ever happend... haha
CavalieRX wrote:Jersey Jay 1.8T wrote:Bah, me and Rich could build a kit that puts out just as much power and includes computer based fuel management for a little more than half of the cost of that. It just wouldn't have the polished pipe and carbon fiber bling.
Ok, DUH! You can always build a kit yourself for usually have the price of buying a kit from a company. But the majority of us dont have that knowledge and/or resources to build a kit, thus we buy prefabbed kits. If everybody possessed that knowledge all the turbo kit companies, GReddy, HKS, Turbonetics, Hahn, would go out of business. I think we all already know that, but thanks for making sure, what would we do without you?
If you put in the time to research how to do it, you could do it yourself as well. I didn't even start being interested in cars until i was 17. I went to school for automotive tech for 2 years, which taught be how to be a dealer mechanic but didn't teach me a damn thing about performance.
Everything I know about how to build a turbo kit I learned on Rich's car. I'm 21, he's 24, and this is the first time either of us have built a turbo kit. And almost all of the information we used to do so was either here on the .org or elsewhere on the internet. I might be a dealer tech, so maybe I can do an assigned task faster than the average person, but that doesn't mean its any easier for me or harder for you. In all seriousness, in the time it takes the average member of the .org to save the $4000 for one of these kits you could be using that time to research how to build your own kit and do it for cheaper. And then you can say you built it all from scratch, which is something to be much more proud of than throwing money at a kit.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
Yea, I've been looking at that kit for my saturn, deciding if I want to put money away for that, or if I want the supercharger kit, or if i want to build my own kit. Or just wait and buy a redline.
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