Hey,whats up?
If i put my air filter in the wheel well,would that help lower the temps on my s/c?Right now the filter sits right by the strut tower.I know its sucking in the hot air from the engine bay,but do you really think its worth it to put it in the wheel well?Has anyone noticed a difference by doing this?



Peter
'06 Cobalt ss/sc W/G85 Package
Gm Stage II W/2.79" Pulley
K&N Drop In Filter
Custom Magnaflow Dual Exhaust

forcing 100 degree air in is better than 500+degree air. go for it.



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dont forget it will suck up water better =P



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Yeah,i might give it a shot.I got nothing to lose.Im not really worried about sucking up water.If anything,ill look into a bypass valve or something.


Peter
'06 Cobalt ss/sc W/G85 Package
Gm Stage II W/2.79" Pulley
K&N Drop In Filter
Custom Magnaflow Dual Exhaust

just make sure it doesn't hang down to low and you should be good.. i know some one who last week when we had HUGE! amounts of rain like floods every where went threw a puddle and got his entire K&N filter soaked but the engine still ran fine... Just be careful though how low it is.

JustinsEcotec wrote:forcing 100 degree air in is better than 500+degree air. go for it.

500+ degree air? My ass dude. Your face would melt at that temp if you opened the hood...let alone your engine as well.

200 degrees tops including the radiant heat coming off of the manifold/header with respect to the position of the stock airbox area.

The CAI will help.....definitely not a ton though.


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500+ degree air? My ass dude. Your face would melt at that temp if you opened the hood...let alone your engine as well.200 degrees tops including the radiant heat coming off of the manifold/header with respect to the position of the stock airbox area.

whatever. have you ever used an oven in a kitchen @400 degress. feel the same as opening a hood. i own a laser heat meter and scanned under the hood of numerous vehicles and i have not seen temps from 250 to 500 degress




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You ever wonder what all that plastic is made out of under the hood of all the cars in the world?

Polypropolyne.....check out it's thermal properties online:

DOW Chemical suggests the melting point is between 130-230 degrees celsius which is roughly 266-446 degrees fahrenheit.

Therefore, I definitely call on your 500 degree oven temperature cars.

Not to mention doesn't the powdercoating that people are putting on their valve covers melt at about 450 degrees???

Also....laser heat meters don't measure ambient temperatures...just surface temperatures. Chances are you were pointing your temp gun toward the exhaust manifold wern't you?

buddy


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really 500 degrees i am gonna cook some sausage, and hot dogs, yummy maybe some chicken....... no more charcol, or propane, or electric oven cooking for me!!!!!!!!!!

2200 2.2 superchargered gasoline powered oven will cook anything in under 5 min... the header section works like the george forman grill

also the engine temp inside is alot different when the car is moving, you dont have standing air in the engine bay like you would if your stopped. Its moving air the from the air outside the car, so its gonna be alot cooler.


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13.91@102.77

well considering the exhaust temp is anywhere from 800-1500 degrees


temps in the 500 range are very reasonable


if he was pointing it directly at the exhaust manifold it would be above 500


back to the main subject , yes a intake that doesnt use under hood temps will help out

Christ oh mighty, are there any actual mechanis in here.

The reason the intake air would be so hot is because the cars got a turbo. Exaust gasses or over a thousand deggress, exaust gasses power the turbine in the turbo, a lot of that heat gets transfered to the impeller side of the turbo and in turn heats the air going to the engine, thats the real reason people run intercoolers. The intake temp on a turbo car with an intercooler is still higher than a naturally aspirated car.

As far a the temp difference of a CAI, making any performance differences...even if it does, your not going to notice. The real gain of using a CAI on a turbo it that there's less restriction on the impeller, wich will let the turbo spool up easier and faster, and maybee run a little cooler.... Plus you get the cool factor of the sound being sucked through the intake ( I love that).

ok Mr. Pute. as my first post was to get a point across with exageration that colder air is better than hot air of course. and you are right that the melting point is much lower than 500 degrees. you didnt have to be so harsh on me. what did i ever do to you
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JustinsEcotec wrote:ok Mr. Pute. as my first post was to get a point across with exageration that colder air is better than hot air of course. and you are right that the melting point is much lower than 500 degrees. you didnt have to be so harsh on me. what did i ever do to you
we still buddy's?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being harsh...because I'm not trying to. Just trying to dispell misconception.

The difference between a winter day and a summer day with relation to performance with my gm s/c is a HUGE difference (before I got alcohol injection). However, that's in the lower temperature range (change from -2 degrees F. to 80 degrees F.)

The temp change from 200 degrees down to 70 degrees might not be as effective as the lower temp change difference.

Anything helps though I guess.


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i am getting my intercooler today maybe i will start de constructing the air bong today......... even tho i have the rsm supercharger the thing gets so heat soaked its disgusting...... not to mention that with the car at an idle and hood open the air coming out of my bov is broiling hot...........


forget about the cold air intake get your self an intercooler that will get the job done right!!!!!!!!

well even a 20-30 degree drop would have an affect just look at how your car runs at 100 degrees vs 70 big difference , im going to try running the intake down into the fenderwell its fairly dry and cool there just need to have some special pipe fabbed up



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I think the biggest difference is that when your moving, all the air is going to pretty much be the same temp. If it's 100 degrees outside, you'll get about 100 degree air from both locations. If it's -40 degrees, you'll get that air from both places because the air is flowing.
So if you're just sitting there, a CAI may help, but the last time I checked most people cars start moving when the throttle opens (assuming clucth engagement, blah, blah, blah)


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Somebody just has to throw a fricken thermometer under their hood and drive around. Place it where the air filter sits and make sure it's just exposed to the air in the bay and not directly touching a hot surface.

Maybe I'll do it when I get home from school this weekend. I'm definitely curious now.


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