Hey guys im having some trouble with my car.. on my way home today i was hitting boost fine... then a cloud of white smoke and car shut off... the car turns over but will not start.. i think its electrical but iono... no leaking or anything fluids are good.. so please let me know what you think im lost.. cars tuned with hpt...
SuNnY-T
did you pull out the spark plugs and look at them? and look down into the cylinders?
2001 Olds Alero (LD9)
650 whp / 543 ft-lb
@turboalero
nick bucci wrote: cars tuned with hpt...
Wrong! Based on your previous threads/posts, the car is
not tuned, The PCM may have been
modified with HPT, but it sure as hell was
not tuned....... Based on your description, your engine is now toast... Good luck with the rebuild.
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
No didn't look at the plugs.. i gonna do a compression test prob tomorrow, and my last post was a couple weeks ago turd head... we tuned with the fake two bar and was running great.... thinkin its electrical seeing on how sh*t went crazy and car turns but wont start.. hpt was seeing a lot of electrical errors.. is it possible i fried the ecu?
SuNnY-T
nick bucci wrote:No didn't look at the plugs.. i gonna do a compression test prob tomorrow, and my last post was a couple weeks ago turd head... we tuned with the fake two bar and was running great.... thinkin its electrical seeing on how sh*t went crazy and car turns but wont start.. hpt was seeing a lot of electrical errors.. is it possible i fried the ecu?
White smoke is not electrical.
FU Tuning
just did a comp test....comp is only in cyl 1 @ 90psi.... motors fuc*ked... whatever though got all winter to build... i had 75 thousand on my motor.. would you build that motor up or should i find a motor with less miles?
SuNnY-T
nick bucci wrote:No didn't look at the plugs.. i gonna do a compression test prob tomorrow, and my last post was a couple weeks ago turd head... we tuned with the fake two bar and was running great.... thinkin its electrical seeing on how sh*t went crazy and car turns but wont start.. hpt was seeing a lot of electrical errors.. is it possible i fried the ecu?
Turd head eh..... Son, I have forgot more than you will ever learn. As John stated, white smoke is not electrical, its mechanical. Your white smoke is more than likely gray smoke, and it was more than likely caused by your "tune" or attempt of a tune and the fake 2 bar. I am guessing you did not modifiy your timing tables properly and you got some major knock/detonation and blew apart a ringlang, thus causing major blow by (aka white/gray smoke). The reason it may not start is due to compression loss. So lets get one thing straight here you train riding, ebonics talking pr!ck... If you expect
any type of help from me or some of the other knowledgable members here, you
will drop the attitude and stop trying to
think you are an ethug.
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
Nick, stop being a dick.
PRND321 Till I DIE
Old Motor: 160whp & 152ft/lbs, 1/4 Mile 15.4 @88.2
M45 + LD9 + 4T40-E, GO GO GO
Im not being a dick, or an"ethug". just looking for some info.. this dudes harsh haha...
SuNnY-T
nick bucci wrote:Im not being a dick, or an"ethug". just looking for some info.. this dudes harsh haha...
harsh? Truth can be.
Can you send me a copy of your HPT file? I'm curious to see what was done.
We seem harsh because lately everyone wants to throw boost on a car and go have fun, but they never think about hopw, or who is going to the tune to the car until they realize it does not run right when they go to drive it the first time. How and who is going to tune the car should be decided before the kit every went on the car.
FU Tuning
nick bucci wrote:Im not being a dick, or an"ethug". just looking for some info.. this dudes harsh haha...
This is not harsh... I am just calling it how I see it. And BTW, earlier you said :
nick bucci wrote: ...., and my last post was a couple weeks ago turd head... we tuned with the fake two bar and was running great....
You must lose track of time pretty easy, because all of your posts have been made within the last 5 days, not "a couple of weeks ago"... As a matter of fact, you were not even talking about the fake 2bar and were asking for help yesterday!....
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
Nick, where you just at imporfest here in Columbus? *trying to see if you were the dude I was talking to there* lol
~2014 New Z under the knife, same heart different body~
______________________
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2012 numbers - 4SPD AUTOMATIC!!
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306 TQ
OMG i have never laughed so hard.... Ya i was at importfaceoff lol. See here is the thing i just bought credits for hpt and it has been a crazy road the car has been turboed for over a year.. tuning has always been an issue because where i live we dont have ppl familiar with the ecos and crap.. the guy that has done my tuning has the software and computer i just use the cables// getting you the tune he is working on i could prob do... He has tuned his vette with it so hes familiar but the ecos are so much different. this car is strictly a project, if i blow stuff up i replace it no biggy.. over the winter im building a motor..i have a 2.2 eco with 16 thousand miles on it so thats where im at now... i really want to get a good tune on it before spring thats why i have been asking for some info and everything.. i figured i could find someone on here willing to help my tuner and me through this so im ready down the rd... I will have him send you what hes worked on just give me a lil while i dont see him everyday.. thanks lol
SuNnY-T
^^^ I thought that was you lol. @!#$ man, cant believe you blew that motor
Ah well, yea man build it better next time
~2014 New Z under the knife, same heart different body~
______________________
WHITECAVY no more
2012 numbers - 4SPD
AUTOMATIC!!
328 HP
306 TQ
that happened a lot sooner than I expected
Hello everyone - its my first post here on the site. I'm a friend of Nicks... His car never did get an actual tune on it. I believe someone from a J-body show helped get the car running "decent". The car was living (on borrowed time yes) but while we were taking the engine out, we noticed that the wastegate line had touched the exhaust and melted! Completely! I have no idea how much boost the motor saw when it went. Either way I think the ecotec was a champ and put up one hell of a fight over the last few months.
I was trying to be a good friend when I had heard Nick boosted his car and let him use my Hptuners cable. I tuned my Corvette on 6 psi with Hp - I felt it was rather straight forward. But they offer a Speed density upgrade for my os. This made things work like the ecu on my Honda so I was right at home with it. When I first downloaded the factory map from nicks car and looked it over I realized that it was alpha-n and was sad. I told him I really didnt know the "right" way to make the car's ecu be comfortable with boost. I didnt really see a way to make TPS based fueling work with boost. I read a little about the 2 bar fake but the resolution is kinda limited? I brought up looking into something like AEM's FIC with additional injectors, but wish there was a solution that was more straight-forward. I plan on reading lots more after I post this. Im pretty excited to the see the cars potential with a proper dyno tune when its back together.
Thanks for any input guys.
-Mark.
94 Civic - 10.82@134
99 Corvette - 11.71@125
Of course, the best way to avoid all this drama is to just buy a complete system that's not only been designed by experts, it also includes a complete tuning solution:
The Most Complete TurboSystem Available for J-Body
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Of course, the best way to avoid all this drama is to just buy a complete system that's not only been designed by experts, it also includes a complete tuning solution:
The Most Complete TurboSystem Available for J-Body
but you gotta admit, custom is fun
plus i LOVE hearing an external wategate open
kinda like hey im spooling this is nice, OOOOHHHHHH GOOOOODDDDDD haha
i looked into your kits but then decided to have more fun and do it on my own, find my parts and piece it together and boy was it a blast.
props to the tuner for coming on here and admit(not saying you did wrong at all) what happened and his limits. props to you.
I did look into the Hahn kit, but i didn't have 4,000 bucks at the time..lol.. I wish hahn parts were sold so i could buy there tune or whatever they offer...It has been one heck of a journey trying to get this thing running right, but i know with the right help and a lil more time we will get it.. i have huge hopes for this car, and with all the time and hard work invested into it i know it will be that much better.. Thanks again Mark for all your help!
SuNnY-T
Nothing against buying a complete kit designed by experts and saving yourself "drama", but anyone drop their car off at a shop, throw money at it, and go fast... I've felt that the "drama" is what makes the game worth playing. I made plenty of mistakes along the way with my Civic - not gonna lie lol. But when the car finally broke into the 10's... I did it. Not someone else. Built the motor in my basement. Welded the charge piping and exhaust out of u-bends in my garage, and tuned it myself, etc.
Your products are top-notch and worth the money - please don't get me wrong.
94 Civic - 10.82@134
99 Corvette - 11.71@125
Not gonna lie...what makes you homebuilders tick is exactly what runs through my veins too!
However, it's not for everyone...and the tales of woe are numerous. What makes it tough is when folks get in over their heads, by thinking that homebuilding is mostly about saving money. Too often, these "economy minded" types lack the requisite skills to pull it all off, and end up spending way more money overall than one of our complete TurboSystems. Not to mention the heartaches and downtime!
But yes, sometimes the journey is more fun than the destination. It's why we are soon going to offer our systems in separate modules for you homebuilder types.
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Not gonna lie...what makes you homebuilders tick is exactly what runs through my veins too!
However, it's not for everyone...and the tales of woe are numerous. What makes it tough is when folks get in over their heads, by thinking that homebuilding is mostly about saving money. Too often, these "economy minded" types lack the requisite skills to pull it all off, and end up spending way more money overall than one of our complete TurboSystems. Not to mention the heartaches and downtime!
But yes, sometimes the journey is more fun than the destination. It's why we are soon going to offer our systems in separate modules for you homebuilder types.
YAYYYY! when are you thinking about it?
SuNnY-T
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Not gonna lie...what makes you homebuilders tick is exactly what runs through my veins too!
Thats cool of you to say.
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However, it's not for everyone...and the tales of woe are numerous. What makes it tough is when folks get in over their heads, by thinking that homebuilding is mostly about saving money. Too often, these "economy minded" types lack the requisite skills to pull it all off, and end up spending way more money overall than one of our complete TurboSystems. Not to mention the heartaches and downtime!
I totally agree. People overestimate their ability, don't set goals, and don't plan parts accordingly so that the parts compliment each other. In the end, many people find that the off the shelf solution that seemed expensive in the beginning - was a much better value in the end.
Its just really unfortunate that GM chose alpha-n fueling with these cars.
I was thinking about using the AEM FIC to add fuel under boost using an additional injector (or two) along with HPtuner for the NA areas. But... It seems it could have issues as well. Bear with me here lol.
Ok, your car is at; 4000 rpm, 10 psi, 100% tps. The car needs X amount of fuel (lets call this value 100). The fuel requirements are being met by; factory ECU seeing 100% tps and 4000 rpm and delivering 60% of the X value. AEM sees 10 psi and 4000 rpm and delivers 40% of the X value. Things are good. But what if your loading the car higher say your in a higher gear on the freeway going up hill. You reach 4000 rpm and 10psi but are only at 60% tps. Now the AEM still sees 10 psi and 4000 rpm delivering 40% of X, but the ecu sees 60% tps and 4000 rpm so it delivers say 40% of X. If that makes sense.... I'm need to look at how the PE tables work again, maybe this isnt as big of an issue as it seems?
Seems like we just need to go standalone and be done with it.
Hmmm.... what the hell?!? Why not just run a damn map signal to the TPS pin on the ECU and force the damn thing to run as speed density?!?!? You would have to remake the TPS vs RPM fuel table from scratch but who cares? Has this been tried? Where's the tuning section again on here lol I'm going to search and post...
94 Civic - 10.82@134
99 Corvette - 11.71@125
It's threads like these that i like reading.. Good luck with the build!
