i have a 2000 cav with a 2200. ive heard so many different things about what injectors will work and which wont. currently im na and very few mods. im going to be boosting soon but only about 7 psi. my injectors are really different from aftermarket injectors i have seen. i bought a used intake manifold from a junkyard and even those injectors are different. i need to know what injectors i can buy to directly replace the stock ones i have now.i only need about a 36lb injector at max. thanks

ford red tops

Adam Lewis wrote:ford red tops

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I have them and they work great, gonna need to solder new clips on though, but thats cake, since it doesn't matter which way you solder them on.

I got my clips on ebay and they work great. Any bosch style injector should fit, but ford red tops are probably your best bet in this situation.

injector clips on ebay

Those look identical to the ones i bought, but mine werent as much, im sure you can find them cheaper somewhere else

thanks see i was told that you couldnt do that on those cars. i have a really wierd problem right now my car just randomly shuts of at idle not all the time it just shuts off. doesnt sputter doesnt cut out just kinda shuts of like it ran out of gas. im hoping a bigger injector is the problem fixer. do you know what cc or lb per hour the red tops are? i hear that the stock injectors are good up to about 6 psi of boost. and im gonna be using a to4e t3 im assuming.i just want to be as safe as i can be running boost on a stock motor. haha and no one has to say build it i know i need to build it. thanks for the info .

ohh yea and to just ask a dumb ? if i just cut the plugs off a dsm or honda or something or the ford that im gettin the injectors from wouldnt that work just as well. i realize the junkyard cutting game isnt the best way to get parts but just a thought

high or low impedance for turbo?

Red tops are 32lbs hr i think, they could be 30 though, i forget

your car has high impedance injectors, which red tops are.

And yes, if u end up getting injectors from another vehicle, the clips from that vehicle will work no prob. If u get injectors from a junkyard, try to get them cleaned, im not sure how you would go about that, but its definetly a good idea. You might want to get a AFPR to lower the the fuel pressure at idle, help it along.

Im not sure what your problem is, or if it will be solved by bigger injectors though.

so i should stick with high impedance even tho im going to be boosting? i just want to do it right. i have found a few injectors on ebay one is i believe accel 30# injectors 8 of the are goin for 99 cents and they are high impedance.

well, the impedance doesnt have anything to do with boosting, it's the amount of voltage your ECU sends to the injectors to open them up
high impedance injectors take more voltage to open.

(im not sure if im using the right terminology here. Injectors are rated by Ohm, im not sure if voltage is the right word to use though)

You could put low impedance injectors in a high impedance vehicle and they would work (if i remember right) because there would be plenty of voltage to open them

But, if you tried to put high impedance injectors in a low impedance vehicle, there wouldnt be enough voltage to correctly open the injectors, and youd run into problems.

You could use low impedance injectors but wouldnt see any benefit from them, at least as far as I know.

Oh and red tops are 30Lb lol


All this stuff is in the FAQ's, and elaborated much more, take a look around there. It took me a while to understand at first, but you start to get it after a while.

i have read that many times even have it platered on my desktop im ms word. just trying to understand. and as well there wasnt anything to do with the impedance.anyways kyle are you turboed?

Kyle Sheldon wrote:well, the impedance doesnt have anything to do with boosting, it's the amount of voltage your ECU sends to the injectors to open them up
high impedance injectors take more voltage to open.

(im not sure if im using the right terminology here. Injectors are rated by Ohm, im not sure if voltage is the right word to use though)

You could put low impedance injectors in a high impedance vehicle and they would work (if i remember right) because there would be plenty of voltage to open them

But, if you tried to put high impedance injectors in a low impedance vehicle, there wouldnt be enough voltage to correctly open the injectors, and youd run into problems.

You could use low impedance injectors but wouldnt see any benefit from them, at least as far as I know.

Oh and red tops are 30Lb lol


All this stuff is in the FAQ's, and elaborated much more, take a look around there. It took me a while to understand at first, but you start to get it after a while.

Ouch, lol.
Impedance is the way devices such as inductors are represented when modeling circuits to determine current flow (modeled as a resistor).
All injectors will see the same voltage, that is set by the ECU.
Circuits with higher impedance injectors will see less current flow, and vice versa (V=IR).
Circuits designed for low impedance can also use high-Z injectors (possible response issues though with larger flow rates), but trying to use low-Z injectors in a high-Z circuit will often lead to burnt up injectors drivers, which weren't meant to flow the extra current now required.




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster

hahaI figured i was wrong in so many words. When i was researching into what injectors to buy thats all the information i seemed to remember picking up. Do i have the impedance swapping wrong notec? Not that id ever do it, but just wondering.

@john - yes im boosted, have been for maybe 10k now. Runs good, although trying to make it better though. Do everything right and buy quality stuff, and you'll be all set.

anyone ever use a resistor box with the injectors i cant really find any good injectors for my car because its low impeedence and i want 2 use some dsm 450s if ican

how much boost are you running? and on a stock or built motor? i dont really want to be like 12s fast just a lil extra power for some added fun while driving. going 0- 60 im 9 seconds is just to boring and who can forget the awesom bov sound haha. im hoping 8 psi on stock motor will be about 14 flat at the track so if all goes well 14 flat and 200 hp is my goal.

im building my motor right now hoping to run low 13s between 15-18psi but i still cant find the right injectors thats y i was wondering abotu a resistor box

so if i understand everyone right. stick with the high impedance injectors? i for some red tops on ebay and i am gonna win them i believe for 6 bucks total shipped. there a little rough but they should do the trick until im ready to put the turbo on. do you think 30# injectors are gonna drown the stock motor alot since i believe the stock injectors are 19 #'s haha fuel is where i get lost i can rebuile my motor in my sleep but understanding fuel and tuning is where i get lost.

yea you have to get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator you have to get them from the lt1 firebird if i remember right there about 110$ at summit

i was just going to get a cartech rising rate fmu and use a cheapo obx fpr or something. but for now i just wanna slap the injortors in and see if that settles my shuttin off problem. i know its gonna run rich but the stock fpr should only let as much fuel into the rail as before so i shouldnt be to bad off right?

I still tune my car a lil everyday. I just got a new boost controller because my old one died. I have a stock bottom end, I use ACDelco R42LTS gapped @ .35, and everything seems to be good around 8-9psi. You will be able to run 8psi no problem, just make sure u get a wideband to help you with tuning.

Are you going to tune it yourself? Or know someone that can. An FMU is a cheaper alternative, and u can tune adequately with one. HPTuners would be ideal though.

What do you have for components so far john?

really i just had the idea to turbo it since i got a 04 auto cav for an everyday driver.. im looking at an ebay turbo and manifold. i know ebay turbos suck but a garage around here that was on pinks with an rx7 with a vette motor said there not bad and they use them daily on a few hondas. i just want to get a turbo and see how well it performs before dumping money into a garret which i will buy over the summer. this is my total plan. ebay turbo and manifold, tail wastegat,ssqv bov, some universal piping, and a buddy of mine sells intercoolers, cartech fmu, obx fpr, aem uego wideband, red top injectors, im not sure what else i need a buddy has hpt and hes like a tuning genious but if i only wanna run 8 psi i might not need hpt. i would like to change the head gasket and intake gasket wile im putting the turbo on. i hear that you can run 10 psi on the 2200 with the right turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-02-cavalier-T3-turbo-wastegate-oil-line-kit-flange_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ022QQitemZ350024866858QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
that is the kit im interested in and i wouldnt be using the awastegate that comes with the kit

there is also this kit the both pretty similar

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-02-CAVALIER-2-2L-T3-T4-TURBOCHARGER-TURBO-MANIFOLD-K_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ024QQitemZ370022395191QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

no one has to tell me that there junk i know this but there is no reason why they wont work for a month or so i dont drive this car often so it might see the track once on this turbo setup.

Where are you located man? I know a guy whos owns a shop whos been on pinks twice, doing there web design for them right now.

Im not sure if i would trust an ebay turbo, if this shop says theyre good, see if they can pick it out for you i guess. But i cannot stress quality enough. You hear people on here talk about ebay turbos and such and how they last like a year at the most or somehting, but, when it comes to this AFPR, do not buy some peice of junk (And i have not heard good things about the OBX one). I did once and what happened to me, was he diaphragm broje under bost and sent gas into my intake manifold. It was a PITA, so just if you can, buy something good.

If you can justify spending that much on a cheap turbo setup for a month, go for it, but id save a lil bit more, and buy good stuff.

im not saying its a good idea to buy that but i need the manifold anyways and there 200 bucks or more alone. so for anouther 150 i can get a turbo and the steel lines to just try out. and who knows it might blow up under 5 psi. i just dont wanna sink 3 gran in a turbo and blow it up in 5 min if it handles boost from a cheap turbo with no technology involved in making it then i can step up to something better. im in pennsylvania. that garage from pinks was hybrid dynamics they mostly do nissan builds like the sr20 and rb 26. like i said im shootin for 200 whp and 14 flat its not a far off idea even with a cheap turbo. and i know some guys are using the saab turbo for the eco i think id rather have a brand new ebay turbo than a junkyard saab one.

those turbos will work for a while i know people who have used them the wastegates and turbos are no good the wastegates will get stuck open and the seals will go bad real fast with the turbos its not even worth the money but the oil lines will work

im thinking that the ebay turbo might get like a thousand miles if even that. so im not to worried about the turbo its just something to use to make sure if i buy a 600$ or more garret or turbonetics that its not a waste of money. if it blows up with the ebay turbo than ohh well but if i buy a better one and i spend all the money id be pissed. and let me say the 2200 is not a dime a dozen around here. the cheapest i found was 700 bucks. besides the one i just bought and put in over last summer.