Hey I have a 2200 with no internal enginge mods yet and wondering how much boost can I throw at it and if anyone has done it succesfully???
RedCavi2008
I wouldn't throw more than 6 psi at it without fuel system mods. And after that, I wouldn't throw more than 12 on it otherwise you're going to have major problems.
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2200 OHV. 462 hp / 396 tq *RIP*
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Stock motor? Completely stock?
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yeah or you could like, upgrade injectors and get an intercooler... you could do like 8....maybe... I hope cuz that's what i'm doing, lol
Thanks I think i'll put some 450cc injectors in there and run what I can w/o fuel cut. BTW where is the best place to buy rods and pistons
RedCavi2008
450cc is overkill... to use what you should out of an injector (80% duty cycle) you would need to equal out to almost 300 hp... to built a 2200 up to a 300 hp, 12sec car would be ludacris...not that it's never been done or can't be done... but you better bet up upgrading your bottom end and doing some serious engine work.
get ford/bosch brown top injectors (370cc) they clip right in to your stock fuel rail, with no modification. (36lb injectors vs stock 16lb)... you do the math...
yea bro i bought a junk yard motor with 79,000 miles on it and took it to a local machinist and had them blueprint and balance it for me for $200, i had crankknife-edged, lightened, balanced. but im still only gonna run 5 psi on it for right now even though i bought a aeromotive f.p.r. and slowmotion fuel rail, dsm injectors until i get a better fuel pump. i have forged internals: eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged aluminum pistons but im still gonna run low boost until everything is tuned right with hp tuners and then maybe ill try to run 10 psi but yea theres your answer stock 5 psi maybe and built 10-15 psi possibly!!!!!!
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wow i totally disagree with the above. there are a lot of people running a lot more then what you reccomend. the hahn racecraft kit for a stock motor comes at 8psi. that should tell you something. I'm pretty sure a couple people on here are pushing around 12 pounds on the stock bottom end.
the lemur wrote:wow i totally disagree with the above. there are a lot of people running a lot more then what you reccomend. the hahn racecraft kit for a stock motor comes at 8psi. that should tell you something. I'm pretty sure a couple people on here are pushing around 12 pounds on the stock bottom end.
Sure, they're doing it. That doesn't mean it will last. I don't recommend things that are questionably safe. Sure it might work, but it realistically shouldn't.
PUSHROD SQUAD
2200 OHV. 462 hp / 396 tq *RIP*
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well mine is a 2.2 (basicly the same thing) and I'm running 9psi with a 10:1 FMU just fine of course I have a FMIC and a few other goodies but stock block/heads
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saying a built 2200 can run 10 psi safely is still a joke to me. i think that is a reasonable stock block limit.
Thanks but what is hptuners that every one is always talking about is it a dyno tune or what and where can I get those ford/bosch brown top injectors??
RedCavi2008
hptuner is a way to tune your car. hptuner.com is the webpage. go check it out, its a very good option for us. i would check ebay for injectors.
Hey thanks a lot for all the help. You told me everything I needed to know.
RedCavi2008
i touched 15psi, on a smaller turbo (.42/.48) and port'n'polished head.. 30lb injectors.. no problems loved it, then i lowered it to 12 just to be safe..then the starter went out and i pulled the motor
Going by the estimate that one atmosphere (~15 psi) of boost will about double the hp...wouldn't that still only put a stock engine at like 230 bhp? Or is this not a good way to estimate hp? I remember when JTuners was in business, their kit dynoed ~180hp on like 6psi, which blows the theory above right out of the water.
It's probably better to talk about this limit in terms of hp. From reading here, it looks like the general consensus on the 2200 is 200-220 whp on stock internals, given a good tune. 220whp is ~260 bhp, which would more than put a smile on my face
depends on how well of a tune and how much fuel can be injected too...
if the right amount will be added, then theoretically , 15psi would be a 100% increase. (atmospheric pressure 14.7)
115 x 2 = 230
6psi would be 1.4 times...
115 x 1.4 = 161... so depends on if 180 is whp or bhp...
so you have actually ran 15 psi on stock internals??? Because my original plan was to run 10 psi of boost when someone else said that 8 psi is pushing it already but I was hoping to push 10 out of mine it only has 80,000 on it the only thing that I dont like abou it is that it has an automatic trans I would like to swap it out for a 5 speed but dont want to pay a lot of uneccesary money!!
RedCavi2008
I ran 8psi with an extra injector controller on my stock 2.2 a few years ago with no issues with 125k on the motor. I ran it like that for about 6 months before I pulled the motor only to install my built one.
My bone stock 2.2 made 210hp/210ftlbs at the wheels.
Id say go for it. Hopefully you have another car if something "happens"
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Justin Higgins wrote:so you have actually ran 15 psi on stock internals??? Because my original plan was to run 10 psi of boost when someone else said that 8 psi is pushing it already but I was hoping to push 10 out of mine it only has 80,000 on it the only thing that I dont like abou it is that it has an automatic trans I would like to swap it out for a 5 speed but dont want to pay a lot of uneccesary money!!
No I have not, I was just looking at the breaking point in terms of horsepower rather than psi - its commonly stated that one turbocharger does not equal another in terms of hp gained per psi of boost.
plus every car is different, unless you have two brand new never operated vehicles side by side, and even then they'll be a little different, just depends on how much you're willing to risk... if 8psi puts me @ 210 at the wheels I will be overjoyed and not even think about going higher, lol. I might up it to 9 or 10 if I'm going to the track, but i'll leave it @ 8 for "daily driver" tasks....
So in terms of horsepower what are we talking the breaking point is on a 2200 with stock internals boosting??
RedCavi2008
It depends on your tuning capabilities. WITH A GOOD TUNE, 250whp has been done a few times. I HAVE YET TO SEE AN LN2 W/ A GOOD TUNE BREAK. I'm hoping to pull another motor eventually and shoot for 300whp, which I believe can be done.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.