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Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:35 AM
i couldnt find anything with all of this information in one place, if so, please link...

I have a 05 ecotec. I want to know what is EVERYTHING!!! that i would need to get installed to run 15+ psi safely, assuming i have everything to run up to 15psi already (so i dont need every single turbo part, just the extra ones needed for 15+psi).... i am thinking like 20-25 psi....

i have read almost everywhere that i am going to need pistons and rods.... i just wanted to know what else is on the list of internals i NEED to run this

I have been looking at the forged weisco 8.9:1 pistons and the forged eagle rods

thanks in advance...



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:01 PM


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Seriously though, look in the faq or do a search. You could even just check the registries of people running high boost. The information is there and even if it isn't all in one place, it's all pretty close.



Cardomain|Myspace

Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:40 PM
hahaah ^^^ aww...



Well he's right. and he's not trying to be an ass about it haha.

Do a little searching. read the stickies at the top of the page, they helped me out a lot and if you still need help, feel free to ask.



Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:55 PM
Don't take it wrong but if you don't know what you need to run 10psi+ and ask here, you don't have the capabilities to run 10psi+.



Gilles
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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:30 PM
wow not one answer... lol, you guys are awesome!!

Mfk-223 - i never said i didnt have the capability of running 10+, if you read the title it says parts for 15+ psi because after the intercooler gets installed i will be running 13-15 with meth injection on 440s (pretty much maxed out) and hptuners to tune the knock out and keep my a.f where they need to be.

M I N I O N - Sinbird - Nari (Boosted 4 your pleasure) - i didnt take it the wrong way, i actually read both posts, and thought it was pretty funny...

however, if you guys would have each taken your energy that you used to make your pointless (yet a little funny) posts then i would have had three answers

Acer wrote:i couldnt find anything with all of this information in one place, if so, please link...


umm, i meant, if you know where some information is then please link me... typo, sry... but, yea... i read the FAQS, but i couldnt find anything



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:39 PM
you can run 15psi stock, for a little while maybe a year or two

for longer lasting eagle rods and forged pistons any compression at or under 10:1 would be fine, cheap little add on is the mls head gasket, I have my concerns about the strength of the valves, but we all know GM pistons and rods are cheap materials



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:46 PM
for safety sake :

bigger than 440 injectors
HPT good tune (also you can datalog your duty cycle)
pistons
rods
head studs
mls gasket

I wouldnt touch meth injection till I HAD to, prolly never. you dont need it. just complicates things.

btw a properly sized turbo will get you about 300HP on 15 psi



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:04 PM
Doing a search has never helped me, since I have been on JBO.

Since, I have been on JBO, it seems like people reach a certain level and stop there. Some people just don't want to tell you, because they don't want you to beat them Who knows,

know what you mean by search. Don't take jbo searches to heart and just, becasue they did it doesn't mean you can do it. Some people are fakers on here. Also, some people don't have all their information in their profile or even on this website. (Like Me)

I had turbo setup built custom, because there wasn't a kit awhile back and people were using the saab setup. I wanted more power. I'm working on the same goal you are, so I'll get you in the area, but lbs of boost is just an figure. To some people 8 psi is nothing and they get no power, to others it's a lot and they get a lot of power.

I'm getting my engine from a core yard and rebuilding it. Valve job, headwork the whole nine yards. Also, I'm adding a supercharger. I don't know how well it will work, but I could care less what other people think. I just want to see what it will do for myself. I plan on building a Soltice GXP, so this is my experiment car.

One thing I know, a cool engine is a safe engine. What you need to me,

A Good Mechanic that knows how to tune well and troubleshoot well
A good towing service
A turbo that is at least a Super 60 or T3/T/4
An external wastegate.
ARP Bolts and Studs (Highly Recommended)
Jet Hot or powdercoating or ceramic coating
Pistons Wiseco, Venolia, JP
Eagle Rods
HPT Tuners or Megasquirt some sort of Fuel management system
A Turbo Header flows well, but you can make power with a log, too.
Bigger injectors, isn't a bad idea. You don't need huge injectiors though. Check flow rates.
A new Transmission, because your old one will probably go out running 18psi all the time
Engine Mounts upper and lower, one will crack soon or later.
A fuel pump, because the stock one will go out
Some kind of head work or a new head, would hurt to do some blockwork either
An underdrive pulley will help (Get a good battery like Optima while you are at it)
Front Mount Intercooler
Boost Controller, I like Turbo XS
Cooper HeadGasket
3 inch Exhaust. If you can do it on 2.5, you are good. You can use a cut-out like me or you can get a high flow cat
Slicks or some sort of drag radials, because you are going anywhere if you don't
Transmisson cooler (Hayden, B&M, U-Haul) will help, but you don't need that either. Same as oil cooler.
Intake Manifold, not necessary, but helps.
Good heatshielding and wraps, because you may burn other wires sitting by the turbo by accident.

That should get you to I would say 325-350 although those figures are Nominal and not actual. So, don't be dissapointed if you don't reach your goal. It just means you need more work.

Optional and for more power or just straight good measure,
Good brake pads. Crossdrilled or slotted rotors help. Depends and the kind of Racing you are doing.
New Cams
Better Crank
Bigger Throttle Body
Adjustable Cam Gears
Cryotreating the Gears
Control Arm bushings
Wrapping the Downpipe
Laptop Computer
Electronic Exhaust Cutout
A new clutch
Stall torque converter if auto
Supercharger
Nitrous Oxide
Intercooler Sprayer
Alcohol Injection, Water Injection, Propane Injection

Well, there you are. You may need more stuff, just work in that area. See what happens.
Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:38 PM
just some general tuning input.......

you shouldn't have boost goals, you should have hp and tq goals and as you biuld up just see how much it takes to get there. you would be surprised what some decent head and cam setups can run with not a whole lot of boost.


don't let the tail wag the dog



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:44 PM
I dont know how people manage to actualy manage to awnser these q's they get on my nerevs.


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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Friday, June 30, 2006 8:19 AM
Acer wrote:i couldnt find anything with all of this information in one place, if so, please link...

I have a 05 ecotec. I want to know what is EVERYTHING!!! that i would need to get installed to run 15+ psi safely, assuming i have everything to run up to 15psi already (so i dont need every single turbo part, just the extra ones needed for 15+psi).... i am thinking like 20-25 psi....

i have read almost everywhere that i am going to need pistons and rods.... i just wanted to know what else is on the list of internals i NEED to run this

I have been looking at the forged weisco 8.9:1 pistons and the forged eagle rods

thanks in advance...

If you'd like to email me, I can show you the most proven solution available for your quest. It's very do-able!



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

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Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Friday, June 30, 2006 8:34 AM
My friend right now is in the process of rebuilding his 04 Eco motor because he wants to run 20psi for everything extra he has bought besides the turbo stuff is,

Wiseco Forged Pistons and Eagle Rods
Arp Head Studs
Ferrea Valves and Dual Valve Springs
.040 cosmetic steel head gasket
stage 3 clutch
fidanza 7.5 lb flywheel

We have pulled the whole motor and everything is being installed right now.
Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Friday, June 30, 2006 6:29 PM
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:
Acer wrote:i couldnt find anything with all of this information in one place, if so, please link...

I have a 05 ecotec. I want to know what is EVERYTHING!!! that i would need to get installed to run 15+ psi safely, assuming i have everything to run up to 15psi already (so i dont need every single turbo part, just the extra ones needed for 15+psi).... i am thinking like 20-25 psi....

i have read almost everywhere that i am going to need pistons and rods.... i just wanted to know what else is on the list of internals i NEED to run this

I have been looking at the forged weisco 8.9:1 pistons and the forged eagle rods

thanks in advance...

If you'd like to email me, I can show you the most proven solution available for your quest. It's very do-able!


he is a good man to talk to! great stuff!



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:47 AM
wow!! Thanks for all the input guys!! Exactly what i was looking for... i wasnt online yesterday... i was to busy driving to cape canaveral for no reason

and... Jcavi - I had so much trouble reading your post that i skipped it, i just went back to try and make sense of it. If you are going to post with no information at all and with the purpose of ragging on everyone that is doing a great job helping me out then please take the time to read your post before posting, because you make your self look rather inept (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=inept) dont want to strain you... lastly... i havent seen one person post a link to a preexisting thread with this question asked - and answered. im not saying it doesnt exist, but i am saying that i think my question was a legitiment question. I am not an idiot, i turbo'ed my car completely based on JBO searches. I ask legitimate questions, when i get confused about legitimate things. And if it bothers you so much then you should go somewhere else, because thats what this forum is all about.

Thanks again everyone!! I will email you Bill Hahn Jr.!



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:18 PM
negro please. do you know how many people say "ok I plan on running XX amount of boost. please, do the work for me and tell me exactly everything I need to know. I dont really want to reasearch, but Im going to say I did and then look like a moron because everything is at the top of the page in the sticky."

for you to say that you searched is a joke


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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:47 PM
hell if i was planning on another rebuild and i was on stock internals, id run her til she blew if i was already gonna build the internals anyway.




Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:48 PM
its my only car!! so i need calculated down time... so running it til it breaks would be bad

yea i saw jcavi's post, im done responding most people saw the video from when you finished your megasquirt that you are neither ghetto, nor black... so i dont know what that vocab came from



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Monday, July 03, 2006 2:19 PM
NUTCASE . wrote:just some general tuning input.......

you shouldn't have boost goals, you should have hp and tq goals and as you biuld up just see how much it takes to get there. you would be surprised what some decent head and cam setups can run with not a whole lot of boost.


don't let the tail wag the dog


Yes, hp goals not boost goals. I know of a pretty good book you should buy, it will tell you what you need to do for the goals you have. I dont have the GM part number off the top of my head, but its the cobalt/cavalier ecotec build-up book, its like $15, best thing I have bought for my car.



Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:28 PM
Acer wrote:its my only car!! so i need calculated down time... so running it til it breaks would be bad

yea i saw jcavi's post, im done responding most people saw the video from when you finished your megasquirt that you are neither ghetto, nor black... so i dont know what that vocab came from


nigga im jewish. you dont want me to get my boys on you. I straight briss your ass.


"Kick azz is my boost hero!!! "
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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:39 PM
LOL^^^^



Thats Him Officer The WICKED One.

Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:23 PM
Jcavi wrote:
Acer wrote:its my only car!! so i need calculated down time... so running it til it breaks would be bad

yea i saw jcavi's post, im done responding most people saw the video from when you finished your megasquirt that you are neither ghetto, nor black... so i dont know what that vocab came from


nigga im jewish. you dont want me to get my boys on you. I straight briss your ass.


you make it so easy for me... im not even sure what that means... but im sure you have many boys, stop posting pointless commentary, your bs is not welcome, you scare no one



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:01 PM
^^^^If you took him seriously, please don't run 15psi on your only car.



Cardomain|Myspace

Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:27 AM
i was thinking 10psi daily and 20psi-25psi for the track... i want low 12's

i am currently running 10psi... and im focusing on buying "precaution" parts ... like an oil cooler, tranny cooler, etc.

but, i wanted to know everything i needed to run 15+ psi the safest way possible, that is why i made the thread... Darius Washington's post has a lot of good stuff i have been looking at...



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Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:37 AM
so you are allready turbo, running 10 lbs of boost???
What is the flow rate of that turbo???
I atarted with a book by coekey bell called "maximum boost"
It is a great book . since then around here I have inspired 3 people to turbo their car...
I have a lot of answers to your questions.. but I also have a 2.2l so.....
However building an engine is almost building the same

I have had my turbo 2.2l for about 3 years and about 60k miles..


horsepower is how hard you hit the wall, Torque is how far you push the wall with you
Re: Ecotec with 15+ PSI (done the right way)
Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:52 AM
Acer wrote:
Jcavi wrote:
Acer wrote:its my only car!! so i need calculated down time... so running it til it breaks would be bad

yea i saw jcavi's post, im done responding most people saw the video from when you finished your megasquirt that you are neither ghetto, nor black... so i dont know what that vocab came from


nigga im jewish. you dont want me to get my boys on you. I straight briss your ass.


you make it so easy for me... im not even sure what that means... but im sure you have many boys, stop posting pointless commentary, your bs is not welcome, you scare no one


thats it, you said to much. you couldnt just leave it at what it was. Im breaking out my yamaka and comin fo yo ass. im goona stragiht pimp slap yo ass with the old testiment and let you decied which one is real...... uhhhhh


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