Hey ,
so the car is getting ready to come out....... my turbo manifold is STARTING ever so slightly to rust....... just in like 1 spot mostly....
I have a jet hot coating place not to far from here...... they way $150.00 CDN to do the manifold....... BLACK Ceramic I believe.......
Good price.... WORTH IT ???
I actually plan on driving this car next winter.....
any input would be greatly appriciated....
Thanks
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
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highly worth it.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
What about doing this to the outside of a turbo. i'd imagine keeping the hot gases in would help with spool times, and also keep under the hook temps down, but how would they do it logistically? you don't want a coating to get on the inside, if it will interfer with the turbine wheel, so do they just plug it, and then dip it....? Anyone know? and is it worth it to coat the turbo.
As far as I know Jet Hot has 2 places that does coatings.... both in the US.
The ceramic is a waste on a turbo manifold.... you will burn it off in no time. Jet Hot 2000 is the coating you want, melting point of the coating is 2450 degrees, about the same as the melting point of mild steel (what your manifold is made out of)
The ONLY location that does the Jet Hot 2000 coating is in MS
Yes Jet hot is worth it... Car craft did a test on Jot hot sterling finish back in August 2002. They tested the surface temp of the headers on a V8, one coated, one not, the Jet Hot header was over 300 degrees cooler, with Jet hot it was 201 degrees, without it it was 524 degrees. Your turbo will spoll faster and temps under the hood will drop.
They offer a warranty, if it rusts through or falls off they will repair and recoat it for free. The coating is not brittle, you can smack a caoted header with a hammer, it will dent in but the finish will not crack. If you rnot happy with it they will recaot it one time for free within 3 years of first getting it done.
And I know everything I just said is corect because I have the Jet Hot catalog thingy sitting in front of me, they sent me the info package when I sent them my turbo manifold a last week, should be comng back to me any day now.
If it isn't an authorized Jet Hot place save your money and have Jet Hot do it.
Darkstars wrote:As far as I know Jet Hot has 2 places that does coatings.... both in the US.
The ceramic is a waste on a turbo manifold.... you will burn it off in no time. Jet Hot 2000 is the coating you want, melting point of the coating is 2450 degrees, about the same as the melting point of mild steel (what your manifold is made out of)
The ONLY location that does the Jet Hot 2000 coating is in MS
Yes Jet hot is worth it... Car craft did a test on Jot hot sterling finish back in August 2002. They tested the surface temp of the headers on a V8, one coated, one not, the Jet Hot header was over 300 degrees cooler, with Jet hot it was 201 degrees, without it it was 524 degrees. Your turbo will spoll faster and temps under the hood will drop.
They offer a warranty, if it rusts through or falls off they will repair and recoat it for free. The coating is not brittle, you can smack a caoted header with a hammer, it will dent in but the finish will not crack. If you rnot happy with it they will recaot it one time for free within 3 years of first getting it done.
And I know everything I just said is corect because I have the Jet Hot catalog thingy sitting in front of me, they sent me the info package when I sent them my turbo manifold a last week, should be comng back to me any day now.
If it isn't an authorized Jet Hot place save your money and have Jet Hot do it.
Ryan speaks the truth...
By the way Ryan, here is the picture of mine that I was looking for when I was talking to you on the phone:
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Anyone know about doing this to a turbo? Can they do it? I'll call when they open monday, but was wondering if anyone had already had it done, or would know if it can be done.
yes, you could have the hotside of your turbo done, which in all honestly would be a very good idea. Like said for the manifold, it keeps underhood temps down, helps spool time and it will look alot better than when that hot side starts rusting as they all do. I say coat the hot side in the sterling coating and polish the compressor side of the housing. That would be a pretty turbo. And I can also vouch for the durability of the coating, I can't even tell you how much @!#$ was banged off of or scraped against Adam's manifold and there was still not a scratch in that coating.
SlammedOHV wrote:I can't even tell you how much @!#$ was banged off of or scraped against Adam's manifold and there was still not a scratch in that coating.
That is so true
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you can't but a stearling finsih on the turbo... its wont withstand anywhere near the temps that the turbo will reach, plus they caot things inside and out so that might be an issue with clearances
Theres this stuff made by Tech Line coatings and I was wondering what you guys thought. There is the Turbo X and the Black Satin. They both sound like they would withstand turbo manifold temperatures.
link to the coatings
Darkstars wrote:you can't but a stearling finsih on the turbo... its wont withstand anywhere near the temps that the turbo will reach, plus they caot things inside and out so that might be an issue with clearances
This is true, but what about doing it with their jet hot 2000 which is suppose to go to a temp of 2650 i think. and i would hope there would be a way to tell them to only do the outside, I'll call tomorrow and ask if i remember.
liek I said above the JetHot2000's melting point is 2450 degrees, which is enough but its very very bad to just coat the outside, the reason they do it inside and out is because if its just on the outside the metal will get just as hot as normall but the coating on the outside will keep it from being able to vent the heat out... it would be the sme thing as the problems you hear about header wrap, the metal underneith can't heat cycle properly and it will fall apart
Darkstars wrote:liek I said above the JetHot2000's melting point is 2450 degrees, which is enough but its very very bad to just coat the outside, the reason they do it inside and out is because if its just on the outside the metal will get just as hot as normall but the coating on the outside will keep it from being able to vent the heat out... it would be the sme thing as the problems you hear about header wrap, the metal underneith can't heat cycle properly and it will fall apart
Really.. Hmm, good point to think about. I call them earlier, to get some ideas of price, and it's about $130 to do a turbo exhaust manifold, and about $100 to coat the hot side of the turbo, but he said they only coat the outside.
But, Darkstar, you're saying it's probably better to have an uncoated turbo then a coated turbo on the outside only? So, the metal can heat cycle properly?
from what I gathered from the infothey gave me the reason they do both sides is so the metal doesn't get @!#$ up.
"If the inside isn't caoting the header eventually rusts from the inside out. Coating the outside only can also cause anoher problem: Mild steel tubing fatigues when it gets to hot. An outer-only thermal barier blocks the heat from radaiting through the exterior meal surfaces, while the lack of an inner barier exposes the metal to added trapped heat. In a scenario reminiscent of that caused by the dreaded "curse of the mumified headers", the result can be literal disintegration of mild steel"
all there info tends to be based on acuall tubing like headers and such, so I don't knwo what effect it would have a thicker metal of a turbo housing.... call them back and bring it up to them
Hmmm, i totally agree that the header should be coated on the inside and out. I think that coating the outside of the hot side of the turbo would help with spool times, and i don't think such a big company like Jet-Hot would coat the outside only if they thought it would rush from the inside out. I'll call and ask tomorrow.
Any word form them on the turbo thing
No, the past 2 days have been busy at work. I'll try to call tomorrow.
Okay
so now that I got everyone's opinion on the coating. yes you are correct it is NOT actual JET HOT..... it is a Black ceramic coating that I can get from a place called Fireball... here in Ontario.
My real question is whether or not I NEED IT ...........
I have MINOR surface rust on the manifold like 1 spot only.... because it was sitting over the winter........... does the coating make the metal stronger.... or just deal with heat better...... because my car doesn't run really hot or anything .......
I'm a 2001 on Green coolant and Water Wetter......
thanks for any opinions..
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...
ceramic coating will not hold up to turbo manifold temps end of story...
if your going to coat it use the Jet Hot 2000
BoostedCavi wrote:does the coating make the metal stronger.... or just deal with heat better...... because my car doesn't run really hot or anything .......
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...
Darkstars wrote:ceramic coating will not hold up to turbo manifold temps end of story...
My turbo manifold has been ceramic coated for 5 years now with no defects in the coating, end of story.
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then your one of the lucky ones, noone i've talked to has recomended ceramic caoting for turbo parts
I talked to jet Hot today, and they have had no issues with customers having problems with the hot side of the turbo when it is coated, in terms of heating and cooling issues. It doesn't warp the metal, or so they told me. I think i'm going to get the jet hot 2000 on my turbo manifold and on the hot side of the turbo.
Darkstars, Fireball has a 2K+ degree coating just like Jet Hot.
Darkstars wrote:then your one of the lucky ones, noone i've talked to has recomended ceramic caoting for turbo parts
I know many many people with ceramic coated tirbine housings (including myself with 2 different turbos) and no one has ever had a issue with them. I guess you need to get out more.
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