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Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:21 PM
Here's my current setup, (2) 12" Kicker compVR's, (2) Alpine MRP-m350 amps, Subs are in a sealed box. I like how deep the bass is, and although it is loud, I was wondering how much of a difference a ported box would make. Anyone experimented with this?

Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:32 PM
Alot of difference. The sealed box provides a little tighter bass, but the ported provides LOUD bass. Just depends on your pref's.



Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:39 PM
I like the ported a lot more. It gave my system a lot more punch then the sealed box did.




Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:43 PM
I am a fan of sealed myself. Ported boxes are nice for loud boooomy bass but if you want clean crisp bass for like say rock music and things of that sort. Go to a audio store and listen to the differences if you can.



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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:54 PM
Yea I pretty much listen to everything, even country. But being that I like the boomy sound, I'll check out the ported.
Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:14 PM
I think you maybe happier with the sealed it's just gonna be all around cleaner. What kinda setup are you planning on anyway?



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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:14 PM
a ported box could give just as tight of bass as a sealed design if made properly

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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:36 PM
why not get both and go bandpass?

ive got one JL audio sub in a bandpass box sideways in my trunk

it mashes in so tight and perfect, and it bumps pretty good

ill snap a pic and post it in a few minutes
Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:48 PM
I have two rockford's in a ported box and am very happy with the sound
Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:18 PM
lefthandedrighty wrote:why not get both and go bandpass?

ive got one JL audio sub in a bandpass box sideways in my trunk

it mashes in so tight and perfect, and it bumps pretty good

ill snap a pic and post it in a few minutes


A bandpass box gives you great sound at a tuned frequency that the port allows. You do not hear anything coming from the sealed portion, only what comes out of the port, so in turn a BANDPASS box is good if it is tuned for the EXACT music you listen to.

There is no such thing as a PERFECT box, all have pros and cons.



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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:22 PM
I would advise against BP. VERY FEW people in North America can build PROPER 8th order, or even 6th order boxes. BUT if you can find someone with the knowledge, it will be the most natural bass you have heard in your life.



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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:30 PM
The01Cav wrote:I think you maybe happier with the sealed it's just gonna be all around cleaner. What kinda setup are you planning on anyway?


Not always true

Sealed Enclosures
Straightforward in design, the sealed box is nothing more than an airtight enclosure whose purpose is to enhance speaker performance. When a woofer is installed in one, the sound waves that emanate from the front of the speaker cone are separated from the rear-firing waves. This improves bass response, since opposing waves can cancel each other out when they aren't isolated. Superb damping, good power-handling capability, and simplicity of construction make the sealed-box enclosure an ideal candidate for a variety of installations.

Vented Enclosures
Vented enclosures – also known as ported or bass-reflex systems – are more complex than sealed boxes, but the extra construction work required to install a vent has its rewards. Vented boxes are more efficient than their sealed counterparts, since they channel sound waves from the front and rear of the cone into the listening environment. Other virtues of the vented design include better reproduction of low bass, a reasonably flat response curve, and low distortion – provided the box is properly constructed.

That info is from the TermPro website




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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:46 PM
After you have decided on how much space your woofer system will occupy, you must determine what type of enclosure is right for your particular application. The simplest type of woofer system is the "infinite baffle." The infinite baffle is nothing more than a barrier that separates the front of the speaker from the rear of the speaker; this barrier is called a baffle board. A typical infinite-baffle installation in an auto sound system consists of mounting the woofer(s) on the rear deck of the vehicle or on the back of the rear seat. In any infinite-baffle design, it is very important that no path exists for sound to reach from the rear of the speaker to its front. If this happens, cancellation will occur and bass output will be reduced.

An infinite-baffle system is probably the easiest way to install woofers in your vehicle. You can expect good performance from such an installation, and since there are no boxes to design or build, installation time and cost are kept to a minimum. Unfortunately, there are several disadvantages to the infinite baffle. When a speaker is mounted in an enclosure, the air inside the enclosure acts like a spring against the speaker cone, and he resulting buildup in pressure provides mechanical damping and prevents excessive cone movement. But an infinite-baffle installation does not use an enclosure, so the mechanical damping is poor, resulting in "hang-over" and lack of definition. The power handling of the speaker will also be compromised since the infinite baffle provides very little control over cone excursion.

The second type of system is the "sealed box," and it is similar to the infinite-baffle design. A sealed box is just that: a completely airtight enclosure. Since the speaker is mounted in one face of the enclosure, there are no paths for sound to travel from the rear of the speaker to its front. Sealed boxes are very easy to design and build, and they generally perform well with almost any driver. Superb damping, good power handling, solid low-frequency response, and simplicity of design and construction make the sealed-box enclosure an ideal choice for many installations.

There are some drawbacks to using a sealed box, however. Using a box that's too small can have adverse effects both on your system's output level and on its deep-bass performance. Efficiency is another matter of concern; typically, sealed-box systems are less efficient than vented systems (see below) and require more power and equalization to achieve comparable output levels.

The best performance will be obtained by mounting the woofer in a "vented box." Vented systems, also known as ported or bass-reflex systems, use a duct to help fine tune the driver's performance. A good vented design provides essentially flat response to just above a low-frequency 3-dB downpoint, with system output rolling off at some rate below that frequency. As frequency approaches that at which the box is tuned, system output from the vent increases and is driven to full acoustic output by an ever-reducing excursion of the woofer itself. At this frequency, output comes almost exclusively from the vent and woofer excursion is at a minimum. This is quite different from a sealed system, where cone excursion increases four times for every octave of reduction in frequency. Reduced excursion means lower distortion, since the vent is not subject to the mechanical suspension limitations of the speaker. The excursion-controlling aspect of a good vented design is of fundamental importance, particularly in high-performance systems where high acoustic output and low distortion are desirable.

The biggest disadvantages of vented enclosures are the increased complexity of their design, poor performance when designed improperly, and unloading of the speaker at frequencies below the tuning frequency. However, note that most speaker manufacturers provide specifications, construction plans, and tuning charts that allow you to construct a vented system rather easily.

Once you've selected the type of enclosure, you can begin the process of selecting the driver(s). For an infinite-baffle system, a low-compliance driver is required. This type of speaker usually has a tight (accordion) surround and a large magnet, both of which compensate for the poor damping inherent in typical infinite-baffle systems.

Sealed systems, on the other hand, require high-compliance drivers. In order to provide good low-frequency output without excessive damping, these speakers almost invariably have loose, roll-edge suspensions. If a small sealed box is to be used, the cone should be constructed of fairly heavy material and be capable of long excursions. Typical heavy cone materials are plastic, polypropylene, and plasticized (treated) paper.

Vented systems, like infinite-baffle systems, work best with low-compliance drivers. The reduced excursion properties of vented systems allow the use of a much tighter cone. This results in less distortion, better transient response, and better cone control. Additionally, these drivers tend to be more efficient because of their lighter paper cones. It should be noted, however, that just about any speaker will work in this type of enclosure – as long as the enclosure is properly designed.

To select the size of the driver(s), you must consider the box volume available and the acoustic output de- sired. Most manufacturers offer charts that specify the recommended volume required for their speakers. Typically, 10-inch woofers require a volume of 1 to 1.5 cubic feet, 12-inch woofers require 1 to 3 cubic feet, and 15-inch woofers require 4 to 10 cubic feet.

As you probably have guessed, large woofers will almost always out-perform small woofers in any installation. The reasons for this are simple. Acoustic output is directly related to the volume of air displaced by the cone. This displacement is similar to the bore and stroke of a piston in an engine. In the case of a woofer, the bore is the area of the speaker cone and the stroke is the excursion. It is obvious that increasing the diameter of the driver or its excursion will increase its maximum output.




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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Friday, March 24, 2006 3:29 PM
Bandpass = love



Re: Sealed or Ported??
Friday, March 24, 2006 6:18 PM
bandpass if you wanna take the time to learn and execute it.

ported..i'd go for it. it's gonna be twice as loud as what you got now, and the SQ won't be compromised as much as some people are telling you.


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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Friday, March 24, 2006 7:06 PM
depending on the veichle, if you have a trunk, sealed is best, or band pass, if you have a hatch back, anything with a hole in the box will sound best. personally i'd got with Earthquake or JL Audio subs, Earthquake is hard to find in almost all of Canada. but the shop i work in now sells them. first shop in edmonton sells then is Evolution audio. and check it out at the web site.

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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Friday, March 24, 2006 7:11 PM
ported for teh win


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Re: Sealed or Ported??
Monday, March 27, 2006 11:14 AM
Alpine makes a sick ported box..If you just wanna buy that it will satisfy your needs. I have heard it and the engineering that went into making it is just insane! I belive its a Alpine Type T SBR-S122V. Supports 1500W peak power
Re: Sealed or Ported??
Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:52 PM
yeah go with the ported if you want to feel your bass not just hear it
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