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need some neon swap help.....
Friday, July 11, 2008 9:20 PM
okay, i have no brakes at all. heres the background as best as i can tell. doing the neon swap. as far as i thought i read you dont need to nessicarily run the emergency brake, so for now i skipped it, i pulled the dust shield piece off because the rotor was rubbing on it. i didn't think this would be an issue. i ran a solid line from the solid end of the brake line to the caliper and we bled the brakes, got air the first time, air and fluid the second and full fluid the third time, did the back starting with the rear passenger then the driver side. did those twice, the i went and did the fronts too just in case, they were pure liquid, we made sure to refill the resovior and threw the wheels on. i went to drive around the block and i had no brakes whatsoever. not even the front brakes were working, i couldn't even stop the car. i figured even if there was air in the lines going to the back or if the backs weren't working at all i figured the fronts would still work. but they didn't. nothing. we checked all the lines and there didnt seem to be any leakage at the brakes or the lines, do i just need to go back to bleeding them again or is there something im just missing?


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Friday, July 11, 2008 9:56 PM
how much fluid came out? if the brake fluid reservoir ran dry you man need to replace your master cylinder... try bleeding your breaks until you see no bubbles in the braking fluid, but make sure the cylinder does NOT run dry
Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:11 AM
go back to bleeding. open the valve very miniminally, maybe 1/10 to 1/8 of a turn. what I had was a shady valve that would let air back in the second you cracked it, so i could never fully bleed them. took me 2.5 days to figure that one out.

as for your ebrake, now you know why its a good idea to have an ebrake.



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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:03 AM
Andrey B wrote:how much fluid came out? if the brake fluid reservoir ran dry you man need to replace your master cylinder... try bleeding your breaks until you see no bubbles in the braking fluid, but make sure the cylinder does NOT run dry


im not positive on the reservoir running dry. i pretty sure it had some liquid still left in it. we filled it up before we started bleedin the brakes.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:51 AM
yeah resovir was never empty. lowest it got was maybe 3/4 full. the last time i bled them the fluid was pretty much coming out in a full stream. i'm going to try rebleeding the brakes today.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:34 PM
open the bleederand let it sit, don't pump the brakes or anything, start with the right rear, then left rear, ten right front, then left front. Open the bleeder and lt is sit and drain itself. Fiil the resoviour to the very top, open a bleeder and let the resoviour get about half way down and then fill it to the top again then half way down again, close the bleeder, go on to the next wheel.

Its a bit time consuming but try it.



Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:01 PM
the best way to bleed the breaks is with a bleeder kit. it's like 15 $ at canadian tire and it will get the job done quickly...
Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:25 PM
Darkstars wrote:open the bleederand let it sit, don't pump the brakes or anything, start with the right rear, then left rear, ten right front, then left front. Open the bleeder and lt is sit and drain itself. Fiil the resoviour to the very top, open a bleeder and let the resoviour get about half way down and then fill it to the top again then half way down again, close the bleeder, go on to the next wheel.

Its a bit time consuming but try it.



i'll give this a try, not like im having much luck with what im doing now.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:09 PM
take it to a shop n00b.




i know you're an experienced member, but i had to say it



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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:37 PM
^now that is funny...........
Re: need some neon swap help.....
Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:45 AM
Viper98912 wrote:take it to a shop n00b.




i know you're an experienced member, but i had to say it




to be honest, if there was no stop signs, turns, pedestrians, and a soft cushy pillow to stop the car at the shop i problably just would.




and its not like ive ever had problems changing brakes before. i put on my wildwoods without any issues, have changed and bled disc and drum brakes without any major issues before.





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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:50 AM
like i said, only crack the bleeder a very little bit and try it again. hopefully you'll get it resolved.



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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:01 PM
yeah, just one of those tings where you think. boom im done just this last little thing to do and you have problems. frustrating. had to do the family birthday things today so hopefully tomorrow after work i get a chance to mess with it again.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:12 PM
well im a retard, i had the calipers on backwards, bleeder towards the bottom. so i swapped them out, rebled them and they are working fine.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:24 PM
Hahahaha


Sorry i couldnt help it.



Re: need some neon swap help.....
Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:40 PM
yeah that'll do it lol



Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 AM
Bagged Base Coupe (Tinkles) wrote:Hahahaha


Sorry i couldnt help it.




i would have laughed at myself if i hadnt' spent all that wasted time on it lol. sad thing is i was thinking about it right before i put them on then got distracted and just ended up grabbing one and never thought about it until someone mentioned it.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:31 AM
I wouldnt call it wasted time. You learned something from it.




Atleast you found the problem and not a shop. That would be even more embarrassing.



Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:46 AM
yeah i had called a shop that morning and put myself on their schedule for thursday afternoon. glad i can cancel that.


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:08 PM
Glad you got it figured out.....I do send a lol to you





Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:37 PM
sndsgood wrote:well im a retard, i had the calipers on backwards, bleeder towards the bottom. so i swapped them out, rebled them and they are working fine.



I did that same crap with my NWF front swap, and I felt like a f'n retard too.

Glad ya got it fixed!


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Re: need some neon swap help.....
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:38 PM
A simple mistake, glad you managed to figure it out.

I must "lol" too.

lol.




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