I am looking at getting Eibach Pro Kit for my 1998 cavalier but i wanted some advice and opinions from people who have them.. do you like them? Do they ride compared to the factory ones? Also, do i need to change my shocks and struts (they were just changed 5 months ago)? My biggest worry is that i live in Pa and the roads here Suck! Any info. would be great... Thanks!

The Pro-Kits rides great, and handles well, I don't think you would have any troubles even in Pa.

I would reccommend getting upgraded shocks

well. i know imma get flamed bad for this. BUT i was talking to a coworker that worked at Midas for 20 years and he said that if i used the Eibach Pro-Kit (which i think is only like1.2 in the front and 1.4 in the rear. correct me if im wrong) that you should be fine on stock struts as long as you dont completely get rid of the bump stop. he said you will have to cut it a little bit but dont get rid of it completely. but thats my .02 cents

pro kit is actally 1.4 inch drop all around.

and stop listening to your buddy Wojo.
lowering on stock struts is bad.



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heres a question. can you name exactly whats "bad" about it. yes i realize if you hit a bump theres that much less the shock can travel. and another one is have you ACTUALLY lowered a car on stock struts. cause from what i understand some people dont mind it and others do. o. and for your info. i dont know the guy. thanks

o. and yes i recommend strut replacement also. it does make the ride quality better.

But the pro kit does not lower the car that much so why do i have to replace the shocks and struts? i could see if i was doing the sportline kit. Just wondering... i know a few people who did not change their shocks and struts and they said they did not have any problems. But that is why i posted this so i could get more information.. So please the more information the better. Thanks

thats what i was pointing out. but i dont wanna start a giant ass argument in your thread. but as i said. i talked to a guy from Midas that worked there for 20 years. you would think he knows what would work and what wouldnt.

I have ACTUALLY lowered my previous car on stock struts, and belive me that ride was low, but sucked when you had to go though a bump...the car dounced like 4 times after the bump....plus the struts blew.....on the the ecotec I did it the right way (Prokit + KYB AGX)...and boy, thats a big diff...even better thatn stock



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I've put a car a few inches off the ground on a few setups now.

GC's + Stock Struts - Worst ride ever, girls wouldn't even ride in my car. It was THAT bad

GC's + Koni Yellows - Tolerable ride. Definitley stiffer than stock, but not kidney rupturing like with the stock struts.

Full Body Coilovers(IE Gravana)- I'm running nice full bodied coilovers now on my dub and I love it. Granted you pay for it, but worth every penny in terms of ride quality and handling.


I'll tell you from my experiences, do NOT lower on stock struts. You'll hate it, people will not want to ride in your car. You'll come to dislike driving. On top of all it's not safe at all.

As for your buddy who works at Midas, sorry but he's an idiot.

imn not trying to start beef so sorry to whoever thinks im a dumbass now. BUT your talking slamming a car. i wouldnt think that the pro kit is slamming it. arent they the smallest drop for our cars. AND he WORKED at midas for 20 yrs. not anymore. but anywho. just clearing things up a bit

you can lower on stock struts but its not recommened. stock struts can barely handle the oem springs. lowering on them even if its the tein h techs (1.1") will shorten the life of the struts. no one can tell you when they will blow but they will blow. my guess is they will probably last ok for a few months before they go. Now your going to have people come into this thread and say "well i have such and such on stock struts and it rides great, just a little bouncy". Those people are idiots (hate to say it but they are). the stock struts are gonna blow and its going to create a bouncy ride. bouncy ride = no good. ask cts about what happened to this other car on stock struts that were blown. not only is it unsafe for you but its unsafe for other people around you. now if you would of went ahead and spent the extra 350 on kyb agx you wouldnt have this problem. now instead you have to spend time removing the struts, buying the right struts and paying for a new alignment.

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what he said.



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i thought you couldnt use the AGX or is that the GR-2??? or is it either

read the faqs to learn about the struts (im not trying to sound like a dick but i cant think of another way to put it)

basically all struts have their limits.

tokico hps and kyb gr2s are both oem replacements only. kyb has said that gr2s are warrentied up to a 1.5" drop but they are still just oem replacement struts

kyb agxs are adjustable lowering struts capable of 1.5" drop which is perfect for the eibach prokit. you can lower a little more on them like 1.6" to 1.8" drop but again its the same as lowering on stock struts (atleast to me it is). i mean why spend that much money on struts when it passes the warrenty mark (meaning you arent getting new struts when they blow) and then when they blow you have to spend more money on the right struts plus another alignement. again it may be alittle past what they are capable of and they probably will handle a little bit more of a drop but why risk it when you can spend an extra 120 or so for better struts.

then you have the koni yellows and dspecs which are pretty much the only struts you should use for coilovers. you can use them for springs too but if you have coilovers you should only use either of these struts. both are fully adjustable and the warrenty for the yellows is pretty much dont abuse them. theres no set limit just if you dont abuse them then koni will honor the warrenty. i believe the dspecs are the same.

all of this is pretty much covered in the faqs.

what about the Ground Control strut and spring combo. i know you can find it on ebay. but im just wondering. if i lower it most likedly will be on the D-Specs

im not quite sure what you mean by ground control strut and spring combo. ground control does not make struts, just coilovers. a great choice that people use w/ ground control is koni. only problem w/ that is koni only makes inserts for the front and not full replacements. this is where alot of people who arent too familair w/ suspension steer away from koni and choose tokico because they are full replacements. installing the konis arent hard, just a few extra steps.

Another issue that wasn't touched on is the fact that lowering springs have a higher spring rate. In order to control the spring rate, you need to have proper struts.

The oem struts were only made to tollerate the stock springs. A firmer (higher spring rate) coil spring would be much harder for the stock strut to control for both the compression and rebound.