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Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:25 PM
bought this car new in December 2003, just about 4.5 years ago. It has 89,000km on it. It's a 5 speed with power locks. No A/C, no PW. Fusion orange metallic. Oil changes have been done every 5k with Mobil 1 and a GM filter. It does have a couple minor scrapes on the bumper only. The kind that you can only notice from 2 feet away. Supercharger kit was installed at approx 78,000km. It has:

GMPP M62 Supercharger
Turbo Tech Racing Upper Mount
RKSport Lower Mount
Prothane Front and Rear Transmission Mounts
B&M Getrag Short Throw Shifter
Induction Dynamics Cold Air Intake with K&N Cone Filter
Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Header
2.5" exhaust with Carsound high flow cat, Magnaflow 22" resonator, Magnaflow polished camaro style dual exit muffler, 2 polished 3" round tips
Stewart Warner Boost Gauge
Stewart Warner Mechanical Oil Pressure Gauge
Stewart Warner AFR gague
Optima Red Top Battery

Koni Sport (Yellow) Dampers
Ground Control Coilovers
Custom GC springs from eibach (7" 375lb front, 8" 250lb rear)
Eibach Front Sway bar
Eibach Rear sway bar
GM front strut tower bar
Prothane Control arm bushings
16" OEM 95-99 Z24 wheels refinished in graphite
Goodyear Assurance Tripletread 205/55/16 (BRAND NEW, have receipt for about $800)
Cross-drilled and Slotted Rotors
Semi-metallic pads
205/50/15 BFG G-force T/A Drag Radials for the track

JVC KD-LH1150 Headunit
Polk Momo 5.25" Component System
Polk Momo MM12 12" subwoofer in plexiglass enclosure
Polk Momo C500 Amplifier
Viper LCD 2 way pager alarm

Also have 17" fast wheels in perfect condition with 225/45/17 tires I can include....

This is a great car but I need a bigger vehicle. $7500.

E-mail me at jdooey@gmail.com if you're interested. I'm in St.Catharines





Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:42 PM
Would you be wiling to part out? I'm interested in the GMPP M62 Supercharger
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:44 PM
Sorry, forgot to mention I will not part anything out...



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:36 PM
Hate to see it go to someone else. What are you replacing it with??




Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:42 PM
Damn dude, always liked that car. GLuck with the sale.


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2002 Pontiac Sunfire GT - Supercharged

Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Monday, May 05, 2008 5:16 PM
I'll be replacing it with something 4x4 since i'm going to Thunder Bay...

If nobody will offer me a reasonable price though i'll just store it till I come back home (if I can find somewhere to store it)



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Monday, May 05, 2008 7:40 PM
you can store the supercharge in my car till you get back !!!!!


"Silver 2001 Cavalier z24 5 speed 2 door sunroof and power everything "

AEM Short Ram Intake
B&M Short Throw Shifter
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:28 AM
I have always found this car to present well. If it were for sale just a few months ago, I might have taken it.

I need a car for the wife. One than interests me, but I need an damn auto trans. Argh!!!



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:40 AM
^ A girl and her dad came last night to look at it....they seemed really interested. Then she goes "why does it have 3 pedals?"

I knew she was a lost cause at that point...



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:04 AM
deflux wrote:^ A girl and her dad came last night to look at it....they seemed really interested. Then she goes "why does it have 3 pedals?"

I knew she was a lost cause at that point...




I hate selling cars almost as much as I hate automatic trannies!

I sent this link to a few poeple for you. You never know.



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:36 AM
what is with women and their affiliation with auto trannies? Good luck on the sale!




Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:41 PM
Good Luck on the sale James i will forward to people


Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:17 PM
They don't call it lady-matic for nothin...but hey don't be surprised if you get ignored when you show interest in buying it. Seems to be the dude's MO.




14.330 @ 96.37mph
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:41 PM
BlownBlackZ wrote:They don't call it lady-matic for nothin...but hey don't be surprised if you get ignored when you show interest in buying it. Seems to be the dude's MO.


Huh? Was that a dig at James now? WTF?




Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:21 PM
you know i see this guy pop up once in awhile every now and then, just bad mouthing everyone....so i thought i'd put this guy in his place because he finally p'd me off.....

so last year i bought my supercharger from bill for 1200 installed from him...after sitting there for like 10 hours doing a bunch of bullcrap to get the re-flash done and everything else, i had a motor that reved from 650-2000rpm and back down.....so obvious it was a vacuum leak, couldn't find it anywhere, not to mention i drove all the way from ajax back to windsor like this, brought it to the dealership couldn't figure out the problem still....well my mechanic rips the charger off and what do you know...there's 2 holes in it (ports 1 and 4 to be exact....) they look like someone jb welded it at one time...so now i'm pissed as hell and had to pay 150 bucks to get it fixed and not to mention the 400 in labour trying to figure it all out....now i admit i was kind of a newb at the whole boosted thing, but not now....of course bill never knew nothing about no holes it was from his car so he said, and he kept the one he got...and that was that...i forgot about it. even know i know he's full of .. so bill to you ...don't sit hear bad mouthing people about there word when yours is no good either....you got me...but good for you, that's my fault....to bad, cause your buddy... jay is a stand up guy, and you make everyone you know look bad.....this fool even acted like the house he lived in was his, and daddy's 78 camaro as well.....but it took longer then planned and his parents came home, but i kept it to myself, me my dad and my buddy had a laugh all the way home, with my vacuum leaking supercharger...lol, i apologize to the org. and it's members for this outburst, and threadjack but this guys a fool....wonder why he's banned from jco.

here's a pic of the supercharger to satisfy bill, and stick his foot in his mouth! being a D**^ gets you nowhere





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"If you have no clue what's going on... STFU!"
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:53 AM
Looks like someone tried to do alcohol injection or something and then obviously did a piss poor job of fixing it.





Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:56 AM
Actually, Bill didnt take the studs off the bottom 2 holes when he installed the charger, even though the instructions said to do so. I guess over time, they made those holes in the charger. He ended up selling the charger because it wasnt making as much boost as it used to, I guess at that point, those holes were getting bigger. I wonder if it actually needs a rebuild like he was thinking. Mike, how many psi u getting out of the charger now?



Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:06 AM
i can't give you an honest answer since i bored out the motor and everything, i think before rebuilding the motor i had 6-8 psi, supercharger is getting rebuilt this coming winter, that's what i get for being a newb, back then...lol! that won't happen again let me tell ya.....sorry deflux (james), 2004 supercharged sunfire for sale....



"If you have no clue what's going on... STFU!"
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:12 AM
Alright a few things.

Mike - Bill took a dig at Jimmy because Jimmy was supposed to sell him some Drag Radials... and then dropped off the face of the earth and wouldn't return his calls/messages about purchasing them. Bill was holding off putting on his big brakes to make a few runs with these DR's and after a long while of silence said f-it and put the brakes on and let it slide. Now Jimmy's up selling all kinds of stuff and Bill found it prudent to say good luck buying something from him if he gets back to you. He's interested in selling just not following through.

(Those are not my thoughts but those of Bills)

Jimmy - good luck with the sale. Maybe you can get another Talon like the one you had, god knows I'm still looking for one.

Back to Mike...

I tuned Bills car with that charger on it. It was making a solid 5.5-6 psi and never had an issue with idle or anything. Our thoughts with the charger was that it was a bit noisier than it used to be (age) and it wasn't making the 8-9 psi it used to be. The last time I saw that charger on the car (2-3 weeks before it was sold to you and removed) it was running fine. I would like to pose a few questions:

- Why would Bill sell a charger that would clearly make NO BOOST with 2 holes in it like that. Those are huge boost leaks.
- Why would Bill install said janked up charger for you instead of just selling it and running?
- Why would Bill offer to install it at his parents house, so you know where he lives?
- Why would Bill give you his Phone # so you can once again track him down?
- Why would Bill speak with you on the phone on a bi-weekly basis to help you figure out what the heck was up with your issue?

A hole at the manifold runner (let alone two) that size doesn't = a fluctuating idle. It = a 2000 - 3000 rpm idle. No question. Not only that but you would make basically ZERO boost with a hole that size. A SMALL crack in a silicone hose would cost you a few psi... 2 holes that size would = zero boost, esp on such a low-boost setup to begin with.

And from what I understand, you have made plenty of boost. Your only issue was this idle problem. And even your "Daddy" was impressed with the new-found power in your car. I hate to break it to you but 2 holes that size from day 1 = no boost = no smiling faces on the test drive.

Lastly, don't you dare sit there and tell all of us that you didn't assf*ck that charger when it was sitting on the ground while Bill took all the stock stuff off your Motor. Between yourself, your daddy and your friend you didn't get your hands on the charger to look it over again and again? You wouldn't have seen holes like that? Holes that size make a HUGE hissing sound at idle, and under boost they whistle and make a LOT of noise. Did you hear any noise?

You can be all the newb you want and claim that you had a lot of foul play laid on you, but don't tell us all that you don't have ears. Don't tell us that you felt all kinds of power in the car but 2 huge 1/8" holes in the runners existed. It's NOT physically possible.

Bill has alcohol injection... which he installed on the NEW charger via a Throttlebody spacer that was already provided to him from the donor car. I can assure you that not a SINGLE hole was drilled or ever JB welded on Bill's car by his doing. Do keep in mind he received the charger used from somebody in Michigan.


Call him an ass, call him what you want. Sometimes he steps over the line, and sometimes he says it like it is. Regardless, he is a long standing member of the community and the only reason is banned on JCO is because of the Executive's personal issues with him. Politics. With all the above facts in place it makes absoloutely ZERO sense that he sold you a charger like that, both from a standpoint of logic in giving you ALL his contact info and from a standpoint that installing it for you would have resulted in complete failure which only a retard would attempt, the fact that you DID make boost with the charger and lastly the fact that it's NOT physically possible to have that kind of damage to the charger and still make boost. Let's not mention again the fact that 3 people didn't notice them prior to install either. s eyes*

Your outburst was out of place, it's out of context, and really it's out of the complete scope of logic. If you have an issue with him, you have his #... CALL HIM. If you have a problem with his personality - do what the rest of the mature world does and deal with it in person to his face, or suck it up and say nothing. You aren't sorry for going off like a small child about an improbable issue... and you aren't sorry for jacking Jimmy's thread. Start a new one if you want to go public with very little real information and even less possible fact.

Back to the topic at hand - Selling Jimmy's Cavalier. Good luck with the sale buddy. I just bought SSBC's and you're taking a real hit on those. Anyone that passes them up is not making a smart move.

-Chris-



-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:17 AM
On a mild side note... even you Darren (GTPSunfire) can attest to the fact that a supercharger with 2 holes THAT size would make zero boost, make a ton of noise, and have a 3000 rpm idle, give or take.

You and I have put enough of these on (as well as H.O manifolds) to know that even the smallest pinhole = a retardedly high idle and in a boosted application = massive leak.

I do find it curious that the holes line up with the studs, but there would have to be a ton of movement for them to make their way though the runners (and so cleanly... it should be cracked to hell not cleanly ovaled out) - that looks drilled but once again it's not possible to have those exist and even make a shred of boost and not hear the leak.

Ok back to Jimmy. Sell that car to somebody who isn't a girl and won't run it into a curb on the test drive. lol

-Chris-



-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:49 AM
Darren's explanation is the only one so far that sounds reasonable to me. It would certainly account for everything being peachy during the installation but having those holes appear later on.

My first thought is that the blower shouldn't move in relation to the motor at all so there'd be no way for the studs to make holes like that.

BUT... if they were pressed right up against it such that the gasket was still being squeezed but there was the very slightest bit of play because it wasn't quite tightened down as it should be, then there'd be enough play to cause the studs to wear through it over time. As they did, there'd be more play and then the gasket would fail and you'd get a boost leak. The studs would have been plugging the holes though, preventing a complete massive boost leak.

I can attest to the fact that a hole that size would leave you zero boost, but not if the studs had worn them. They'd have worn over time so the studs would fit into them like perfect plugs.

I had the line to my boost gauge split once. Zero boost.

Not saying that's what happened. Only that it all seems plausable to me.

SO... if the studs should have been removed and were left in for whatever reason, the installer should man up to that.

Sorry to see this whole thread explode. I like James, so I found the dig at him out of place. Guess I understand it now in light of Chris' explanation.

As for being banned from the JCO... well... I'm surprised they didn't ban me from there back in the day for speaking my mind. Probably would have if I ever created a new account after they deleted them all. So I wouldn't use that as a dig at Bill, for what it's worth.

Hey James... good luck with the sale, bro!








Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:31 PM
Kevin... all of that is plausible... with QUITE a bit of play in the charger to the studs (we're talking all the intake manifold botls are loose at this point)....

BUT... for them to move in and "plug" the holes the charger would have to find a way to shift more towards the engine... for it to do that it would have had to be DAMN tight against those studs when installed and that would have not allowed the studs to be torqued down right and therefore leave a boost leak at the head.

Possible but I think it would need some movement... it's a REALLY clean hole though.

But further to that - Mike stated the holes have clearly been JB welded and the JB weld failed... which totally shoots that theory out of the water. Those holes had to be drilled and a repair attempted. But.. how? How did it hold pressure and make a shred of boost? For Bill or even for Mike under initial install?

I donno. It doesn't make sense to me and a lot of things make sense to me. lol

-Chris-



-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:49 PM
Yeah, if there was JB Weld on there, then it's all for moot. I don't see any in the pic though.

It would be a clean hole though. Hardened steel studs rubbing very slightly over time against an aluminum casting should make for a clean hole, no?

I think for this to happen, there would have had to be very little play. Everything would have seemed to be bolted down tightly (with the blower pressed against the studs, firmly in place) when installed. It all would have seemed right. Then, we all know the forces on the engine. We've all seen how much they move on a dyno when under load. It would take on the slightest bit of play to start the process in motion.

The holes certainly line up perfectly with the studs.

Curiously... I'm looking over the instructions and don't see anything about removing any studs. What step is that? Anyone got the thing handy?




Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:54 PM
first off...i was getting NO boost when the charger was leaking it is fixed now......i said i couldn't give him an honest answer on the whole boost thing....and NO.. we didn't know
that charger had holes....second i never even seen the dam thing before that day unistalled in a car, so no i wouldn't have noticed the holes....we had the leak for 5 hours bill couldn't tell what was wrong, now if he had alcohol injection and made those holes, how could he use them with the bolts being there for the manifold, and why wouldn't he have either plugged them or realized that was the problem... his explanation was the re-flash didn't work right....?????? Another thing we were impressed, it sounded sweet, besides the idle problem, and NO it didn't feel like there was a difference, untill it was fixed..... and the last time i seen bill was before we hit the 401 and i had a brake problem i'm guessing because of the vacuum leak.... he never did nothing but say i don't know, should be fine....but i get it i'm going to drive another 4 hours so this guy can say what? exactly, if he knew... he burned me, if he didn't well he didn't do nothing, didn't offer any help, he avoided me and ignored my phone calls after about a week when we still had no solution,I did call him when i found out the problem, and he said don't know what that could be from...ironic someone else already had an answer (Sunfire GTP with the studs), and you (sweetness gt) with the michigan guy...2 reason he couldn't name.....what you saying i drilled the holes and blamed it on him, so i could re-weld it...lol. sound pretty stupid. wild weasel and sweetness, do as you will speak your mind...your friends.... that's what friends do, i have no problems with you 2, you've both gave me advice when i was stuck...he got me, i don't forget, he knows what he did....or he don't....my only beef is the guy comes on here talking like he's mr. never screwed nobody or gave him anyone the runaround, and that's what he did to me...so where can he talk. I don't care if he's a long standing member or not.....now could it be that bill bought the charger and it was jb welded, he never noticed, eventually noticed a power loss in his car, and switched the charger with zero knowledge of these holes slowly getting bigger...i'm sure it is but i doubt it....and when i asked if it needed a rebuild before i bought it...why would he say no just a fluid change, when he knew something wasn't right and he was losing boost!



"If you have no clue what's going on... STFU!"
Re: Supercharged 2004 Sunfire FS
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:57 PM
I like Bill. He says many things I am not brave enough too. I don't believe that his intentions are to scam. I would rather a man that speaks his mind without thinking than a man that tells you what you want to hear, only to stab you in the back.

I don't buy used parts. Considering that the charger kit could be had for 1500, why buy a used one? If you have ever checked out an Eaton rebuild, it aint cheap. In this case, since you had plenty of time to check the blower out, part of the responsibility is on the buyer.

I am trying to figure out a way for my kid sister to pick up this ride.








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