Well guys after all that work something went wrong. I went to fire it up at about 4 o clock this morning and as soon as it started to fire up it let out a big bang. nothing externally appears to be broken but I think it jumped timing and bent some valves.
This took 2 good long days with 2 sometimes 4 people working on it so I need help bad guys. If anyone can offer up some time so I can get this thing back apart I would REALLY appriciate it.
Thanks to Corey, Ryan, Vincent, and Dave for the help with teardown and reassembly the first time. Hopefully you guys can can back and help again
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Hate to sound dumb, but what were you guys tuning up?
we put a patriot stage 2 head on my car.
so far from what i can tell the tensioner never got tight and the timing jumped. the motor is definately frozen in place. meaning...bent valves at best
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Ooooo, Ouch ! When are you planning on doing this ?
NightmareSS - 2005 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC STG 2
well heres some good and bad news...
bad first...
1) i have no time or space to do this repair myself again. parents wnat my car out of the garage like last week
2) its gonna cost about $950 for a shop i trust to do it
3) i have no other car right now
good news...
1) brian (speedracerz) offered to do all the work for me for free.
2) i can afford to get the car to him
3) Patriot agreed to fix the head for free or really cheap depending
Only downside to having Brian do the work is that it would be a few weeks before he could get to my car because he has other projects going right now.
I know I've been making a lot of requests lately but I have to make another one. If someone has a beater I can rent frm them for UBER cheap until my car is done I would be forever in your debt. If anyone has a car sitting around doing nothing that is reliable enough for me to commute to and from work and school (100 miles a week or so, maybe a little more) and possibly get me out to see my g/f (about 60miles each way once a week or every other weekend) PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP!!
really i just need it for the school and work...it would suck to not see my g/f for a month or so but if thats the cost then ill have to deal with it and find a way around it.
Thanks for any help guys.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
sucks to hear Hyps.... If I were closer, I would lend ya hand
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
oh and more bad news...just found out a have a strained muscle in my lower back. makes sitting and standing fun tasks
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Well, my beater truck is sitting out in the street undriven. But that's b/c the trans is smoked like bacon
Sorry I can't help ya
If it was summer time, I'd maybe be able to rent ya the Cav and daily drive my bike for awhile (and hope for no rain!! never rode in the wet at all), but it's mucho frio muchacho!! lmao.
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, METALLIC BLUE, 114x MILES, $7500 OBO
Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:oh and more bad news...just found out a have a strained muscle in my lower back. makes sitting and standing fun tasks
If it makes you feel any better, I fell down the stairs this morning and bounced and landed on my bad shoulder.... Oh, forgot to mention, I had a torn rotator cuff and tears in a tendon
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
if theres a warm place to do it I could get it all ripped back apart... maybe talk my work letting me do it there... you'd get charged and you'd have to get it towed in but its an idea... what actually went wrong during the install? sorry I was only aorund for taking it apart and not there for reassembly
ryan: i think it was the tensioner. i dont think it ever popped back out after we compressed it to get it back in. if you can get me a price I'd love to have someone I know work on the car
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
I'll talk to them tommarow about it, see what they say, and tensior doesn't really compress in, its spring loaded so it shoudl it shoudl always be pushign out as long as all the pieves are there. But I'll tlak to my boss tommarow and see what they say
the directions have you press it in to compress it and then strike it once its in to release it. i never pushed it in far enough to seat it though so i really dont know whats up. really all i want now is the factory head back on so the car runs and i can get around. i feel like an inmate right now. my whole life is now dictated by the wardens i live with (you guys met them). Once its running again I'll get the head back to Patriot and have them fix it for whenever I can afford to get the head done again
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Pics for Ryne and info for anyone that cares
Well I spent about an hour and a half last night workng on his car, I got the turbo off, timing cover, off, ignition and valve cover off, cams out, intatke manifold off, injector and fuel rail out, ect... the only thing left is the upper motor mount and then just unbolting the actual head and its off.....
my findings....
engine didn't crank by hand, it was locked up, I pulled the cams out so the valves would close and I could make sure the crank itself and bottom end still turn over ect.. heres what i found....
Exhaust cam gear..... normal
intake cam gear.... the teeth that positiong the gear to the cam got sheered off the gear.
When engine was turned by hand it was fine, when engine cranked over the entire engine moved except the intake cam
with the cams out all the voves shoudl be closed.... like this....
but the #2 cylinders intake vlaves look like this....
and its very hard to see in the pic but a cam cap was installed backwards (which is not a huge deal, its not nessesarily bad for it, but its not helping anything) and one of the intake cam journals got scored up slightly
and this is how it sits now untill monday when I actually remove the head
All I had on me was my camera phone, so sorry about the crappy pics, maybe I'll bring my camera into work on monday and get some decent pics
You owe him your life Hypsy.
no i owe him $500 and never ending discounts...especially for dealing with his boss for me and trying to buy the car more time there until i can get out to Hahn and get the new cam gear and get 2 new valves to put in from patriot
Let me take this chance to give both companes, Hahn and Patriot, a HUGE plug. I called both companies at 8AM the day the problems started. Within 20 minutes I had commitments from both to help get the car back to where it needed to be. Patriot offered up new vlaves to me and any machining work that needed to be done for free and Bill is helping out with parts I might need from his stash. Thanks to both companies the car will probably be running even better than before in less than a week.
AND a HUGE shout out to Darkstars for stepping up and fixing this for me. Without him the car would be at a local shop and I'd be paying someone I don't trust.
Ryan...I got a new cam cap for the motor. I have 10 extra now from the ones we took off. I'll bring that with when I bring you eveything else.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
I believe it was $600 not 500, I'll have to double check
whatever it is...i owe you that...you cant have my life YET
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
^^^ we can work on that when you get internalls hahahaha
there you go...lets just hope this doesn't lead to a full build up YET.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Ok I went to work today and took that motor mount and head off, got everythign aapart and checked it all out. Put the timing cover and pulley on, motor mount back on, and covered the engine and rolled it outside.... here updated pics with my real camera hahaha.
head is off
marks from the vaves hititng pistons, its sucks but its not bad at all, no cracks, no chips, not deep
intake cam gear
intake cam gear
exhaust cam gear (how it should look)
intake cam... gear is @!#$ up cam is fine
all the valves
cylinder 2 intake valves
cylinder 2 intake valves through the intake port
cylinder 2 intake valves through injector hole
cylinder 3 intake valves (how they should look)
timing chain caugth the top chain guide
anothe rpic of the chain guyide, on not to bad but not good, it is alittle bent
covered up and the timing case is on so nothign gets into the engine
does somethign look out of place????
Ryne I have the head at home with me, if your gonna get it before running out to Hahn... and the other thign try to get my $ ASAP, boss man is not to happy the car is gonna be stuck here for a week and he wants it paid ASAP because in the past we've had cars that were sitting outside waiting for work to be done and the owner has had it towed out at night to avoid paying.... not saying your gonna do that I knwo you wont but again boss isn't to happy right now hahahaha
OOHHH OOHHH!!! I KNOW WHAT'S OUT OF PLACE!!!
A red Beetle
All the other cars are silver, gray, or a dark color!!
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
