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LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:21 PM

Hey guys , ive searched this subject but cant find the direct answer im looking for.. The LN2 is being rebuilt , the tear down has already started and im wondering about a cam regrind , im not looking to make crazy numbers or anything like that , i just simply dont understand what i should request for a regrind , and if i should or am " Required " to do any head work " Dependant on what the cam specs are ". I'd like to make the old LN2 slightly move lively.. I was thinking a cam and decent clutch could be my answer , or is it worth it in your guys opinion? Sorry if it's been asked.. I'm looking to spend between 500 - 800$ in extras excluding the clutch.


Thanks


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "

Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:06 PM
Importperformanceparts.net is your friend they make a nice stage 2 cam for the ln2 that puts out some rumble and power, but if you want that one you will need a tune if you get a stage 1 you will not


Erik Packard
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:10 PM
to really see benefits of larger cams a port and polish should be done. Its not required just recomended to get the most out of your setup.



Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:03 PM

So im assuming i would have to email IPP asking them for pricing etc? I noticed they dont have anything " Listed " for cams for the LN2. Thanks for the input guys. A large cam sounds fun Sounds pricey though. I emailed them just waiting on a reply.


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:14 PM
I heard the Crane used to do regrinds for like $150 IIRC. Try out Colt Cams too.



Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Friday, July 16, 2010 1:50 AM
Their web site is a little funky, but we can still get a shot of their page: IPP Web Cams. They're a little pricey, but this is a new cast camshaft, not solid billet as their website states. They do seem to be properly hardened from what I understand.

Comp Cams, Bullet Racing Cams, Isky Racing Cams and Lunati Cams can all do regrinds, along with just about any other camshaft grinder can. Crane Cams is back doing some work (as a group under S&S Cycles), contact them for more info on getting a regrind done. Most companies charge about $150 for a four cylinder hydraulic roller cam regrind and takes about a week to do.

For a streetable regrind that doesn't require tuning, keep the intake duration (@.050") down in the low 200s. The exhaust should be about 4-8 degrees longer duration than the intake. Have the intake advanced one degree and the exhaust retarded one degree. Finally, if you staying with the stock valve springs, keep the total lift (lobe lift X rocker arm ratio = total lift) under .470".

This won't be a race car by any means, just add a bit more pep to the motor. This will definitely be helped by any other mods you do.






Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:10 PM
Ricozero wrote:Importperformanceparts.net is your friend they make a nice stage 2 cam for the ln2 that puts out some rumble and power, but if you want that one you will need a tune if you get a stage 1 you will not


Just out of curiosity, have you actually USED a cam from IPP, or dyno'd with one? I'm not trying to flame or anything, but to my knowledge, no one here has ever put any actual miles on one, so if yours is another case of a JBO'er recommending a product they've never used and have no idea what the quality is, I'd politely ask you to stop.




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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Monday, July 19, 2010 8:59 PM
JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:
Ricozero wrote:Importperformanceparts.net is your friend they make a nice stage 2 cam for the ln2 that puts out some rumble and power, but if you want that one you will need a tune if you get a stage 1 you will not


Just out of curiosity, have you actually USED a cam from IPP, or dyno'd with one? I'm not trying to flame or anything, but to my knowledge, no one here has ever put any actual miles on one, so if yours is another case of a JBO'er recommending a product they've never used and have no idea what the quality is, I'd politely ask you to stop.


That's even IF you can get them to ship anything.

Didn't they go down the tubes as well?



Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:07 PM
JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:
Ricozero wrote:Importperformanceparts.net is your friend they make a nice stage 2 cam for the ln2 that puts out some rumble and power, but if you want that one you will need a tune if you get a stage 1 you will not


Just out of curiosity, have you actually USED a cam from IPP, or dyno'd with one? I'm not trying to flame or anything, but to my knowledge, no one here has ever put any actual miles on one, so if yours is another case of a JBO'er recommending a product they've never used and have no idea what the quality is, I'd politely ask you to stop.


If you would take the time to look before you talk, yes i am using the import performance parts stage 1 cam with comp springs on my car, and noticed a increase in my mid to high range and it has been dynoed on a mustang dyno at 141 hp and 151 ft/lbs it was tuned by hardcore motorsports before they went under, and that cam made a difference for me so im sure the stage 2 would be even better


Erik Packard
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:22 AM
Hey guys , I emailed ipp about 2 weeks ago and still waiting on a response , during this time I was thinking what kind of gains i could achieve with 98 pistons in a pre 98" ln2. I read a post on here saying this could almost be " too much " compression. just looking for some input on the 98" pistons. Have any of you guys done it ? What should I expect.


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:37 AM
RidinJStyle97 wrote:Hey guys , I emailed ipp about 2 weeks ago and still waiting on a response , during this time I was thinking what kind of gains i could achieve with 98 pistons in a pre 98" ln2. I read a post on here saying this could almost be " too much " compression. just looking for some input on the 98" pistons. Have any of you guys done it ? What should I expect.
It's at least 11.5:1 compression. So, even with a very radical cam and an excellent tune, you'd still be hard-pressed to make it on 91 octane.




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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:52 AM
So would it be worth the gain in your opinion? If I had to run supreme fuel in exchange for a decent gain I wouldn't have a problem with that. Although if it's nessacary to tune after that I dunno where I could go down here lol


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
RidinJStyle97 wrote:So would it be worth the gain in your opinion? If I had to run supreme fuel in exchange for a decent gain I wouldn't have a problem with that. Although if it's nessacary to tune after that I dunno where I could go down here lol
Radical cam = not fun for daily driving & high idle = increased fuel consumption
You would definitely need a tune, and even then 91 may not cut it. Do you have E85 stations locally?




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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:48 PM
So basically what you're saying is bad idea lol , I didn't know it would jump the compression that high , I'm new to alotta this so this whole thing is a learning experience. Too bad cause it sounds like fun lol


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:17 PM
Pre-'98 LN2 + '98-later pistons, S-truck intake-manifold & good header = Damn-strong low-end torque for a N/A 4-banger.


Go beyond the "bolt-on".
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:37 AM
What kind of supporting mods did you have for a setup like that lol :O


1997 Sunfire 2.2 OHV , 5 Speed.


" Yeah you drive a jbody , but not like us. "
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:03 AM
Nickelin Dimer wrote:Pre-'98 LN2 + '98-later pistons, S-truck intake-manifold & good header = Damn-strong low-end torque for a N/A 4-banger.
And detonation up the wazoo once you try to carry a keg in the back, much less try to tow something...
Trucks usually have relatively low compression for a reason




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:09 AM
The best thing would be to zero deck the block with the appropriate year pistons and surface the head .030". This will net you approximately 10:1 compression, which is much more streetable, though would still need premium fuel. This will necessitate custom length pushrod and adjustable rocker-arms. With the cam regrind described above, you'll do just fine. The '98+ piston swap is a very radical swap done for all out racing purposes on a budget, such as Bob Guptill's race car (for most on here, even his builds are over the top!).





Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:53 AM
OHV notec wrote:
Nickelin Dimer wrote:Pre-'98 LN2 + '98-later pistons, S-truck intake-manifold & good header = Damn-strong low-end torque for a N/A 4-banger.
And detonation up the wazoo once you try to carry a keg in the back, much less try to tow something...
Trucks usually have relatively low compression for a reason

How about low compression (8.89:1) EGR, aluminum head & 4.10 FDR... And it still don't like anything with less than 90 octane points!? Run 87 in it & watch it buck & surge on the highway when you try to push it above 55 into the wind!

That's how my '94 is.


Go beyond the "bolt-on".
Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:10 AM
Sorry I know it dosent work out for everyone but my lt1 has 11.8:1 compression and i make it just fine on 91 octane. Alluminum heads love high compression. Just a note


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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:57 PM
Josh A wrote:Sorry I know it dosent work out for everyone but my lt1 has 11.8:1 compression and i make it just fine on 91 octane. Alluminum heads love high compression. Just a note
Nickel, above, has aluminum heads...
What is the cam profile on your LT1? How about the quench distance? Timing? Lots of factors to consider...




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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:07 PM
well it is a 383 so nothing really applies here. but it has a 236 242 @.050 .512 of lift with a 112 crank center. Nothing crazy pulls good to 7. keith black hyper pistons flat with valve reliefs. Timing is basically what it was from the factory with just a degree or two more. I know there is alot to consider because every engine is a little different but they all do the same thing.


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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:11 PM
... ok so i know i said crank center but i meant to say degrees of lobe speration..


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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:33 PM
Josh A wrote:... ok so i know i said crank center but i meant to say degrees of lobe speration..
That's quite a bit of overlap, and mild timing. With proper quench, I don't see any reason why 11.8 wouldn't work...
That cam in an LN2 would be pretty ugly on the street. The V-engines can take more cam




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Re: LN2 Cam Regrind question
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:47 PM
It works just fine. I thought most 4cyls actually had larger cams compared to their v brothern


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