hello all, i have a 97 cavi 2.2 i have a header- 2.5 exhaust- and shaved head. i want to know what i can do performance wise. such as nitrous how much or what jets? or ebay turbo kit with greddy or turbonetics turbo (good or bad)? is there a supercharger for it? do they make a throttle body, intake, cyl. head, etc. and what are some stock times in cars with these motors?.....and what are some not so stock times?
step one. sell slow econobox
step two. buy faster car.
sorry, I couldn't tell you what to do at all, no experience with them at all.
I always want a little more acceleration with my car too, I have just been trying to reduce rotational mass so the engine can spin the tires quicker.
good luck
steve
i have a 2000 gtp lightly modded.... but i want to make her car a little quicker. i mean she already walks hondas and gets off doing it. lol. but i want it a lil faster.
do some research. there are a few ways to get these engines faster, it just takes a little extra work and it's a bit more of a challenge. BUT, don't fear this challenge.
as we run the pushrod design, we are able to use some lifters and, as one person found out, MadJack, some springs as well. it's a good idea to do the top-feed conversion for these ones as well to accommodate for larger injectors if going with boost. internals, if you can't find anything for the J, check the S-truck sights. they did use the 2.2 in some of them, and some have been known to put boost through them. another thing you could do that will help you out, a full port and polish job with a full head re-build. larger Valves, the springs and lifters I was talking about. there is a thread saying different applications.
you can also get a cam re-grind to any different specs for pretty much whatever, may it be boost, full motor, or better economy. I'm told one good thing to get is better lifter rods. there isn't anything wrong with the stock ones IIRC, but it's a good safety thing. wouldn't want anything failing under boost.
unfortunately, there are no readily available larger TB's for our car, as it's a 1-piece design to the plenum. the only ways around this is a custom intake manifold, or have the stock one/junkyard one, ported out at a machine shop. eventually, I shall be going for a custom manifold for the different turbo design set-up I'm building for myself.
for the Superchargers, there are no Roots style ones available, but if you're creative, you can get a Centrifugal charger to work. just depends on location of it, and where you're going to have it go to the belt. for the intake, get some PVC tubing, and get creative. then put on a K&N cone filter on the end and call it a day.
also, you have a "magical" year for that LN2, you are able to use a program called HP Tuners. essentially, it changes perimeters within the engine to allow for m ore fuel and ALMOST anything else. I suggest finding a competent person who has HPT and is quite confident in their skill with the tuning. they will know what would be best for you, and the mods the car has.
I also have a 97 2.2 Sunfire, though, it is a 4 - door with the 5-speed Isuzu Transmission.(that's a whole other thing that can be done as well). my personal best for bone stock was a 17.1/17.2 I don't know what I'm running now, but I o nly have intake, full exhaust, and a tune, BUT, I've also lightened up the car a significant amount. I'm hoping right now to be low 16's/high 15's, but I wouldn't be disappointed with a mid 16.
ebay turbo kits are junk, nitrous will destroy a stock motor with high miles after awhile of use when using more than 30-50 shot. your best bet for reliability is a eco swap. you can pick up a eco to swap with manual tranny for about $750-1000(youll also need the wiring harness/gauges/ecu/pcm/bcm for your year) which is still gonna run cheaper than any QUALITY turbo setup. nitrous will run around $750 also with all the goodies. you can do a junkyard turbo setup for around $500 with out tuning, you should be able to find someone to tune you for $250-400. but that'll only run around 5-10psi till more than just the injectors have been upgraded in the fuel system(and the internals will only hold for so long before you have to rebuild). go find a 5 speed ecotec at a dealership and test drive it, they are beasts compared to the 2.2 and 2200. just do the eco swap and be done with it, that way the car doesnt spend most of its time on jackstands.
Why does everyone say just swap it when someone asks how to make their 2.2 perform better....
Haters. Lol.
Bolt-ons and a decent tune will get you on the right track. You could turbo it too. Just no Ebay @!#$.
Do it right
a guy above said HP Tuners....a friend of mine has that for our GTPs, will his program work with this car too?
Yes his will but you will need to get him to buy credits for it to work.
As for more power the basic bolt ons help....header, exhaust, intake, plenum spacer, mounts, etc.
The real issue with power for thesse engines is air flow. The head and cam profile make a bottleneck that hinders performance. If you want to make decent power a ported polished head and a good cam regrind are pretty much nesecary from what I have read. You can do the spirng and lifter upgrades at this time too.
credits? what are they? an how and where?
Your friend should have an HPtuners account online. He can buy the credits on that website. I beleive a single cavalier costs 2 credits.
Zs Z wrote:Your friend should have an HPtuners account online. He can buy the credits on that website. I beleive a single cavalier costs 2 credits.
ok nevermind my g/f just told me he has DHP tuners. any info on that?
The Boost Creep (ECOsleeper) wrote:ebay turbo kits are junk, nitrous will destroy a stock motor with high miles after awhile of use when using more than 30-50 shot. your best bet for reliability is a eco swap. you can pick up a eco to swap with manual tranny for about $750-1000(youll also need the wiring harness/gauges/ecu/pcm/bcm for your year) which is still gonna run cheaper than any QUALITY turbo setup. nitrous will run around $750 also with all the goodies. you can do a junkyard turbo setup for around $500 with out tuning, you should be able to find someone to tune you for $250-400. but that'll only run around 5-10psi till more than just the injectors have been upgraded in the fuel system(and the internals will only hold for so long before you have to rebuild). go find a 5 speed ecotec at a dealership and test drive it, they are beasts compared to the 2.2 and 2200. just do the eco swap and be done with it, that way the car doesnt spend most of its time on jackstands.
then you have to factor in EVERY THING ELSE FOR THAT SWAP. especially for a 97. hell, if doing that swap, the 3800 would end up being cheaper. go check my post in the "why the 3800 swap" thread. I gave a complete breakdown (in canadain dollars) on how much that will cost for anyone with a 95-99(well, 98, as some 99's can do it without too many problems).
How about this, next time someone comes in here asking "how do I get more power for this 2.2?" Encourage it, and GET THE F^CK OUT WITH YOUR SWAP BULLSH|T. not all of us want to hear that EVERY BLOODY TIME. PLUS, not everyone wants, or can afford a swap. personally, I find it pointless for my car, but at the same time, I think it's absolutely AMAZING to see it as it's not a normal thing.
Oh, Screw the Eco, some people, I.E. myself, and a LOT of others, prefer to have a challenge, not, "oh, the book tells me to do this next" and mouse click mods.
Brad wrote:The Boost Creep (ECOsleeper) wrote:ebay turbo kits are junk, nitrous will destroy a stock motor with high miles after awhile of use when using more than 30-50 shot. your best bet for reliability is a eco swap. you can pick up a eco to swap with manual tranny for about $750-1000(youll also need the wiring harness/gauges/ecu/pcm/bcm for your year) which is still gonna run cheaper than any QUALITY turbo setup. nitrous will run around $750 also with all the goodies. you can do a junkyard turbo setup for around $500 with out tuning, you should be able to find someone to tune you for $250-400. but that'll only run around 5-10psi till more than just the injectors have been upgraded in the fuel system(and the internals will only hold for so long before you have to rebuild). go find a 5 speed ecotec at a dealership and test drive it, they are beasts compared to the 2.2 and 2200. just do the eco swap and be done with it, that way the car doesnt spend most of its time on jackstands.
then you have to factor in EVERY THING ELSE FOR THAT SWAP. especially for a 97. hell, if doing that swap, the 3800 would end up being cheaper. go check my post in the "why the 3800 swap" thread. I gave a complete breakdown (in canadain dollars) on how much that will cost for anyone with a 95-99(well, 98, as some 99's can do it without too many problems).
How about this, next time someone comes in here asking "how do I get more power for this 2.2?" Encourage it, and GET THE F^CK OUT WITH YOUR SWAP BULLSH|T. not all of us want to hear that EVERY BLOODY TIME. PLUS, not everyone wants, or can afford a swap. personally, I find it pointless for my car, but at the same time, I think it's absolutely AMAZING to see it as it's not a normal thing.
Oh, Screw the Eco, some people, I.E. myself, and a LOT of others, prefer to have a challenge, not, "oh, the book tells me to do this next" and mouse click mods.
ya i've already posted there. im going to be attempting that swap, but in a $300 donor car. i drive a gtp my girl drives a cavi...and we want a mix breed now.lol.
Brad wrote:How about this, next time someone comes in here asking "how do I get more power for this 2.2?" Encourage it, and GET THE F^CK OUT WITH YOUR SWAP BULLSH|T. not all of us want to hear that EVERY BLOODY TIME. PLUS, not everyone wants, or can afford a swap. personally, I find it pointless for my car, but at the same time, I think it's absolutely AMAZING to see it as it's not a normal thing.
Oh, Screw the Eco, some people, I.E. myself, and a LOT of others, prefer to have a challenge, not, "oh, the book tells me to do this next" and mouse click mods.
Mother @!#$ right.
I like my 2.2. And I'm positive I am not the only one.
There are some respectable ones, search doomie, or talk to MadJack or Nicklin Dimer.. And that is probably just a start.
Now I will just sit back and wait for Rodimus to come in swinging his eco ball sack around..Lol
get a GM crate 572 with the 2.2 adapter , its a direct bolt in
joy austin wrote:i have a 2000 gtp lightly modded.... but i want to make her car a little quicker. i mean she already walks hondas and gets off doing it. lol. but i want it a lil faster.
No it doesn't. Not with that little bit of modding. Either that or it's a very very weak, low end, unmodded Honda that isn't trying to race.
Either swap the motor, or swap the car.
www.gmscf.com
Oh, Screw the Eco, some people, I.E. myself, and a LOT of others, prefer to have a challenge, not, "oh, the book tells me to do this next" and mouse click mods.
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,everyone with an eco is gonna catch crap cuz of that thread from rodimus now are'nt we?
SHOoff wrote:Either swap the motor, or swap the car.
x2 trying to get power out of a ln2 is a waste of time unless you want to drop $3000 for a reliable bottom and top end to make any real power off of nitrous or forced induction.
and brad....suck my balls, get off your high horse b!tch. if they want to build that ln2 good for them. its pretty selfexplanitory. intake, full exhaust, mounts, cams, tune is whats available with out a power adder. thats about $750 in non internal parts if you want quality, plus another $1000 for a 5-10psi setup on a t-25 or $800 on a nice nitrous kit with warmer and purge. then $1000-2000 on a bottom and top end when he blows up the stock high mileage motor. a swap dollar for dollar is a better choice than rebuilding a ln2 for high hp goals in mind of boost or spray, or doing it on a stock block and watching it last for 2000 miles then a rod or headgasket goes. i dont give a fu(k what motor he swaps. plain and simple its going to take more money, time and resources to make a ln2 have a decent amount of reliable power. where the motors that are available to swap in have more hp stock than a modded ln2, and are much better when it comes to reliability...end rant.
SHOoff wrote:joy austin wrote:i have a 2000 gtp lightly modded.... but i want to make her car a little quicker. i mean she already walks hondas and gets off doing it. lol. but i want it a lil faster.
No it doesn't. Not with that little bit of modding. Either that or it's a very very weak, low end, unmodded Honda that isn't trying to race.
Either swap the motor, or swap the car.
its got CAI-shaved head-header-full 2 1/2" exhaust-plugs and wires---------and they were not stock, and there were several of them...autos, manuals, with intakes headers full exhuast etc.
A lot of you guys might be surprised to know that a lightly modded 2.2ohv, 5 speed will creep pretty far down into the 16s pretty easily. A buddy of mine had a 94 Beretta, 2.2 with a 5 speed and it ran 16.7s all day with just an intake and a muffler for mods. I always figured that car had 15s in it with a more complete mod set and me driving it.
Swap in a 3800/SC V-6(L67).
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Tinkles
2003 Cavalier 1SV
Bagged and Blown
You know an ecotec would be better though
It is a 97 and you would have to rewire the car for an eco. I'd rather dump the L67 in there and wire in Megasquirt.
Tinkles
2003 Cavalier 1SV
Bagged and Blown
Tinkles wrote:It is a 97 and you would have to rewire the car for an eco. I'd rather dump the L67 in there and wire in Megasquirt.
i've already got the l67 project in planning. but this is my g/f's DD. i need an l67 and tranny from i guess a 2001 5speed cavi or something. do you have any experience in these swaps? or can you give me any advice, like any speedbumps or anything? preferably electrical advice. lol. i guess my buddy is going to splice the harnesses.
