Anyone use a Short Ram and have it go into the stock air box? Anyone use a custom air box? Any Pics??
Yes you can do it, in fact some company makes an intake that bolts directly to the stock airbox.
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my short ram goes to the 2200 expander box. looks great and sounds nice
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In my case, I use a ram-air hood and I do not want engine bay heat to get sucked in by a open air filter unit.
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.......hmm arent ram-air hoods ment to take in air?
soooo in that case wouldnt you want a short ram intake with an open air filter? more air flow to the filter.......i mean i always thought more air the better
I would think in order to use the stock air box . you would not be able to use a short ram intake or any hard metal pipe due to the movement of the motor . this is why they put the flex tube from the airbox to the motor ... and before you say but I've got motor and trans mounts ..the motor still moves a little and something needs to give or it will snap..
I researched the difference for the heat and what not when i decided to goto a short ram instead of a CAI and i cant remember where found it, but somewhere on here it shows only about a 2 degree difference in temperature for the air that is taken in for a CAI and the short ram. Now 2 degrees doesn't do a lot.....
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Now 2 degrees doesn't do a lot
You sure about that??? The biggest difference between a CAI and WAI that made me go with a WAI is throttle response. I'm using a AEM intake WAI and have a cold air duct leading up to the filter.
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I will do some looking around to find out where i found that information, but it was on here. But how will the throttle response change between a WAI and a CAI? I mean, tubing going into the throttle body isn't going to make throttle response faster? It will always open the same speed as always...maybe you mean the air has a quicker response to the throttle and not such a long way to travel......?
G Russ wrote:I will do some looking around to find out where i found that information, but it was on here. But how will the throttle response change between a WAI and a CAI? I mean, tubing going into the throttle body isn't going to make throttle response faster? It will always open the same speed as always...maybe you mean the air has a quicker response to the throttle and not such a long way to travel......?
You are correct you you mash the gas pedal it will always open as fast as you mash, BUT with longer tube going into the fender with a filter it does kill the engines throttle response, because of having to suck the air soo far from the filter. I have had a CAI before, and can tell the difference with a WAI ( in just throttle response). Cooler air will always make more HP, so if you can gain 2 degree's cooler you are better off. It might be small but it is all the small things that add up.
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My hood also lines up with the stock airbox but is designed for a cone filter because it doesnt fit with the stock airbox..........
Yes the stock airbox has the best protection against heat but also has the most restriction of course.....If you are worried about too much heat with a SRI and ram air hood then just be glad your not one of the many with a stock hood and a SRI..
If your gonna use the stock box i would get a K&N factory filter and use the short ram pipe if you can get it to fit. Its not going to break anything since its connected to the TB with a rubber connector.
I meant to post this before. I have seen someone use a WAI and the stock airbox before. It was with a ramair hood. Thing is they did not have the lid on the stock air box because it would not fit. They used the air box to be like a shield. I can't say how well it worked or not, but to me looked like crap.
I'm hoping to do some data logging today with my cold air duck, and with it blocked off. Also going to take some pictures. I can say this, yesterday I had the laptop hooked up and the cold air duct blocked off. It was probably 80 degrees out. My IAT temps would get to 133, and never went below 120.2. Actually never went below 125. Again this is IAT temps, so temps of the air going inside the motor. Whe I datalog again I plan to drive one route at certain speeds. Take the cap off the duct and drive the same route at the same speed. I know the difference will be seen, but I want to show it.
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Mike Baynton wrote:
Yes the stock airbox has the best protection against heat but also has the most restriction of course.....If you are worried about too much heat with a SRI and ram air hood then just be glad your not one of the many with a stock hood and a SRI..
IMO I'm not seeing any restriction, unless you're using "the bong." The engine itself has a strong suction effect and it will find that air and suck it in like any aftermarket intake out there.
"The bong" will slow down the process of finding air in the intake, but it also protects you from a flood as the water will stay at the bottom (bong-like again) and it will lower the noise at WOT.
But seriously I'm not seeing any different of a restriction then what you'll find in A/M intakes as it has the same bends. If you want absolute no restriction or bends just put a filter right up to the T/B.
I'm still using "the bong" but I would like to remove that and use a funnel part from a Jeep that I've seen and use it as a another "ram-air" induction.
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I designed a ram air induction system with the filter mounted in the front in between the bumper and the radiator. noticed a slight difference in throttle response. However the faster you go the faster the air was being pushed into the end of the filter letting the mid RPM ranged power band extend a little closer to red line. The only con was leaving my local burger king and catching the front of the splash guard i welded onto the filter on a speed bump and tearing it off the pipes and ending in a crunch. i will throw up some pictures later of the aftermath and the second system that I'm trying now.
ok, well today I did some datalogging. I plan to do more. I drove the car for about 20 minutes (to get the temps up). It only takes about 5 minutes to get engine temp up, but much longer to get oil temp up. WIth oil temp up around 180-200 degrees and my air duct capped off. In traffic IAT temps would get to 125-129 (136.4 if sat supper long). I got up on the high for 1 exit go to 45mph. temps dropped from 125 to 114.8. Got off the highway and got right back on (we have a nice system off this one bridge just keep turning left go right back on going the other way). Got up to 64mph temp only droped to 114. Drove around in some more traffic let the IAT temps get back up, took the capp off the cold air duct. Drove the same bridge temps started at 125 at 45 mph temps were 113. Got off the exit but this time had to sit for 3 minutes temps got to 129, got back on the road only got to 50mph and temps dropped to 113 again. I decided to go around 1 more time because I did not get to go to same speeds. First part same result. Second part temps started at 125, got to 55mph temps dropped to 110.
So far this is proving a difference with just a cold air duct system. 4 degree's is a big difference. Also how fast I watched them drop. I plan to do more testing hopefully with better traffic. Again this is a WAI with a cold air duct I did myself. I will get some pictures when I have time.
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why can't you make a heat shield to fit around the WAI and keep all the cool air from the ram-air duct around the filter area with a cone filter. I know some aftermarket intakes for other cars include a heat shield...
also, the panel filter doesn't have the same maximum flow as a cone- no matter how hard the engine pulls on that filter, it's still more restrictive, and the harder the engine has to pull, the less efficient (and, therefore less powerful) it is.
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A heat shield wont stop the inatke from sucking in the hot air. Its not the filter that getting hot. Although the piping can get hot. They make insulated wrapping to go around the intake piping which would be more beneficial than a heat shield.
I have the same setup as higgins and it does make a big difference on the highway.
I would be interested in seeing someone log IAT's with a CAI, because I dont think they will be that different....especially when your not moving since they pick up heat from the asphalt as opposed to engine heat.
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they pick up heat from the asphalt as opposed to engine heat.
thus, the ram-air hood: a real "ram-air" effect is rare at best- the engine usually pulls in air faster than it's being "rammed" through that little hole in the hood. however, having the air intake on top of the hood brings in fresh, ambient air that isn't heated up by the engine or road surface, so it does have a performance benefit after all.
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ok keep the stock intake tube use a k&n high flow filter remove your bumper on the driver side net to the wind shield washer reservoir
youll see a a black mass of bends and chambers this is your intake silencer take it off get a piece of 3" pipe bend it the way you want it
and put it where your silencer was youll get more air but you wont be getting hot air.
I just cant drive 55
