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T6 is Aluminum, not to mention the Engrish problems.
Guessing by other's problems it's probably cheap knock-off stuff made in China. Again guess not the same quality at all as B&M. YMMV.
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thank you for pointing that out to me
guess i'll have to buy b&m
anyone has a used one or one they want to sell??
You take a women and X her by PSI devide the legs and you can then juice the car......LOL
well fidenza (sp?) makes a short throw for our cars too thats cheaper than the b&m and from what i heard, its just as good.
thanks timler
i'll be checking back on this thread to see your comments on it
i took the stock shifter and get about 1inc and a half off of it, it helped a lil bit but i want the full benefit its difficult to @!#$ smoothly in high rpm bands
and i belive this will help me smooth out my shifting but i really don't want to spend 150$ on a short throw shifter if i can help it i would like most of that money to go to my custom turbo kit i'm starting
You take a women and X her by PSI devide the legs and you can then juice the car......LOL
why do people not put shifter questions in transmissions were they belong
[quote=ßãggéÐÇåv98 (Ûñqùðtäߣè Øñé)]well fidenza (sp?) makes a short throw for our cars too thats cheaper than the b&m and from what i heard, its just as good.
I am willing to bet money that the same people who make it in China for the people who sell it on ebay are the same people who make it for Fidanza as well. But thats just my guess.
i wish they made one for the isuzu tranny's but im forced to pay b&m prices so far
stay away from the ebay ones. i've heard of the arm where the ball joint is snapping off. bad. i have the fidanza and love it. have seen cavs with the b&m and played with the shifter. shifts are the same distance at least as far as i can tell without measuring. smoothness is the same. best part of the whole fidanza is the nice satisfying click as it goes into gear. that and the fact that it accepts a hurst t-handle shift knob. lol
hope that helps
[quote=DrÃkÉ]i wish they made one for the isuzu tranny's but im forced to pay b&m prices so far
With out B&M those companies wouldnt be able to make a knock off in the first place.
People cry about how there is no aftermarket, then a company comes along and makes a standup product, and people want to low ball them, and look for cheap knock offs.
With that said, i would ONLY buy B&M, they supported our market, we should support them.
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thanks guys, so fidanza makes a cool clicking sound when shifting, that sounds neat
guess i'll go with fidanza
thanks everyone for your input
You take a women and X her by PSI devide the legs and you can then juice the car......LOL
I have it on my sunfire, shifts fine. I hate when ppl bad mouth ebay. Just learn how to use ebay and your fine. Yea you can buy intakes, short shifters from ebay just stay away from their coil overs. most of the stuff on ebay is good quality.
all you do with other companies are pay extra for the ricey underhood stickers and engraving on a part......
Koncep Vega wrote:I have it on my sunfire, shifts fine. I hate when ppl bad mouth ebay. Just learn how to use ebay and your fine. Yea you can buy intakes, short shifters from ebay just stay away from their coil overs. most of the stuff on ebay is good quality.
all you do with other companies are pay extra for the ricey underhood stickers and engraving on a part......
No, you pay more for all the R&D that goes into a product, then you have some company come in, STEAL the hard work of another company, and sell it as their own for less the the original diesinger of the product b/c they dont have to pay for all the R&D.
But hey, if you want to support shifty businesses that steal others work, then go for it. But the next time you want to buy a product for you car, and find out they dont make it, dont cry, b/c your actions are the end result, and hurt the community as a whole.
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Anyone who thinks paying 200 + dollars for an intake is logical is either a fool with money or no common sense. Another example why buy an exhaust system for 700+ dollars when you can get a custom one made for 200. don't get me wrong when it comes to suspension, boost, boost related products. I will pay for Higher quality but an aluminum pipe is an aluminum pipe either way you look at it. A shifter is a shifter, a filter is a filter...
how much is the name brand shifter? where do you get this fidenza one? do you have to remove the transmission to install it ? (ive never done this before)
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white dime wrote:how much is the name brand shifter? where do you get this fidenza one? do you have to remove the transmission to install it ? (ive never done this before)
Karo has them for around $140 with free shipping.
They are very easy to install (atleast i think so) You just remove the center console and have at it. The shifters come with instructions
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Koncep Vega wrote:Anyone who thinks paying 200 + dollars for an intake is logical is either a fool with money or no common sense. Another example why buy an exhaust system for 700+ dollars when you can get a custom one made for 200. don't get me wrong when it comes to suspension, boost, boost related products. I will pay for Higher quality but an aluminum pipe is an aluminum pipe either way you look at it. A shifter is a shifter, a filter is a filter...
I was just talking about the shifter, but if you want to talk about other products to, i have no problem proving you wrong.
Lets take an intake from say AEM, alot of the cost is to support the R&D for making it in the first place. Then the quality of parts they use (ebay intake filter vs. name brand filters is one instance) Not to mention the HUGE amounts of money that it takes to make a intake CARB legal. And then add in other factors and the price for the intake is within reason.
700+ dollar exhaust comes under the same idea, R&D, they just dont bend up parts and weld it up, they dyno test, and tune everything for the motor. Use higher end parts and so on.
And last, i touched on it already, the quality of cheap ebay filters vs. name brands like K&N are nigh and day. If you think that something you might get on a ebay intake is the same quality as K&N or other big name filter companies then your sadly mistaken.
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yea ok... I still get better times than half the ecos around here with aem stickers everywhere along their cars and they still have problems with their parts. a buddy of mine broke his b&m anothers fidanza snapped.....
Lets put it this way everyone has their own thing and I guess cheap parts are mine and expensive parts are yours.... there problem solved
i back urweak 110% on this...many JBO members are only worried about how cheap they can get the parts to fill their mod list and then later bitch because nobody wants to make parts for our cars.
A few comments about this thread...
#1. I have an e-bay knockoff shifter. I bought it a year ago, and it works great. I paid half price too.
#2. Not all name brand parts are necessarily high quality. My $217.73 K&N Typhoon intake snapped off at the L-bracket 3 months after I got it.
#3. We are j-body owners. And for the most part, aren't multi-millionaires. There's no getting around it, J's are low-rung cars. What makes a company think they can get away with charging outrageous prices when it can be bought at half the cost??? R&D??? Please. I could take a stock GM shifter assembley, use some common sense and basic physics, and have a version built to my specifications at any decent machine shop. If it takes a company tons of money to develop a short shifter, they don't need to be making them.
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urweak wrote:
700+ dollar exhaust comes under the same idea, R&D, they just dont bend up parts and weld it up, they dyno test, and tune everything for the motor. Use higher end parts and so on.
whats the difference in a 5' section of ebay exhaust pipe at $50 compared to a say magnaflow 5" pipe at $150? Im just throwing a fake price out there but why would there be a
$100 improvement in the magnaflow? to me exhaust pipe is pipe. and all that r&d into a shifter? you get close to the same effect as cutting the stock. im sure a lot of people could have said. well cut it down, move the pivot point a hair. Done. now wheres my money for R&D? I buy what i like. not because its cheap, im cheap, i get what i want, like, its my money, i earned it, and im going to spend it how i want to. sure i have the ebay short shifter, no problems at all. but i also have rk sport intake weapon r header(its coated in antisieze not powder coated because i dont see the need to powder coat it when i get the same finish with whats on it now). rk sport pro streets, magnaflow muffler, with the pipe from the header to the muffler from a shop. it cost like $100 to get that all done and put together in the end. sure i could have spent $700 and got the catback but then i would have had to do all the messing around with it. around here the economy isnt neccesarily booming so i look to save money when i can and where i can, i just make sure to get good quality for my money.
Vincent Morris wrote:whats the difference in a 5' section of ebay exhaust pipe at $50 compared to a say magnaflow 5" pipe at $150? Im just throwing a fake price out there but why would there be a $100 improvement in the magnaflow? to me exhaust pipe is pipe.
Well there are different grades of steel. Stainless vs mild steel. Thats one difference from an exhaust shop job. Then manderal bends (try and even find a shop around you that will do a manderal bend exhaust, and if you can, then try and get it to be cheap.) Then the quality welding, and then the fact that the exhaust (catback or full exhaust) is specificly built for your car and motor. Then add in what i mentioned above about dyno tuning it and all that, and you get what you pay for.
Vincent Morris wrote:All that r&d into a shifter? you get close to the same effect as cutting the stock. im sure a lot of people could have said. well cut it down, move the pivot point a hair. Done. now wheres my money for R&D?.
That is not how a short shifter works, a short shifter increases the lenght between the pivot point, and cables, it DOES NOT shorten the shifter stick.
You obviously dont have any idea how a short shifter works, so i dont expect you to understand what all the R&D takes. For one, you have to obviously get your hands on a car (cost to get it), mess around with the shifter for awhile and figure out how to shorten the throws the right way(cost for the company to pay for the work), then you have people that have to build the parts, using different computer programs and so on for the tooling(more cost to the company) Then possibly trouble shoot any problems, and make sure that the product works on the applications its intended for (more money) and the list goes on and on.
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Here we go on the cheap shifter thing again ......
2000 Cav Z24 in 2002 = $9000
ebay short shifter purchased and installed 4 years ago = $50
Price quoted for B&M at the time = $250
Difference left to buy groceries and put gas in said vehicle = $200
What's the average 18 to 25 year old gonna do?
R&D ... please...
