OK i come from fiero's (got a 85 gt 2.8) so i know a some but of the 60degree v6s. what have you guys done for the first gen v6 swaps? and of the supergarcged 3800 sereis from the GN to the most recent 280hp 3.8 v6?
and have any of you done a v8 swap? i would assume that you would want to use the archie adapter plate because your 5 spds are getrags are they not? www.v8archie.com if you don't knwo what i am talking about.
also how about the 3.4 ohc from the montana or the camaro or firebird. the montana in 1999 had 185hp@5200 and 210tq@3200. have you guys swaped that over yet? i know the 2.8 is basically the same motor as the 3.4.
also the fuel inject you guys have on your 2.8s is it throttle body like my fiero or is it port fuel injected electronically?
sorry for the large amount of postage. i just never thought of the older j bodys i keep forgetting that they had v6s. i knwo most of you guys love the ecotec and the 95 engine (can never remember the name) but i come from v6 to v8s that is my terrirtory. i know plenty about turboes managing systems and how make an engine run off of two different fuel maps. (example) (btw running two fuel maps make sit so you can have good MPG and one for racing by push button btw you guys have a 28 bin chip right?)
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cant use the grand national motor , its completelty different from the fwd 3800
but the 3800 will bolt up to the 2.2 ohv trans
i am speaking of the 2.8 v6 you guys have in the 90-94 isnt' the 2.2 a 4cyl? if you are refering to that then can't the 3800 be swapped into the 95 plus engine bay with ease with teh v6 moutns from a 90-94?
and has this been done before? build threads anyone?
I'm sure it could be done, but why go with a piece of @!#$ like the 2.8L?
The only worthwhile motor swaps in my opinion would be 3800 Series II naturally aspirated @ 200hp. The DOHC 3.4L from the old GTP and Z34 Monte @ 215 hp (although these engines weren't very reliable). Or my favorite V6, aside from the GN motor in 87 which was 245hp, is the L67 3800 Series II @ 240 hp from the 97+ GTP w/ supercharger. That engine is a sick @!#$. With a ported blower, pulley, intercooler, throttle body, better cam, roller rockers, ported heads, nitrous, a limited slip, a higher stall torque convertor, and the 4T60E trans, and some slicks up front, you'd have an 11 second car before you sprayed it.
Scott
2002 Audi S4, black
1996 Z24 auto, red
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]cant use the grand national motor , its completelty different from the fwd 3800
but the 3800 will bolt up to the 2.2 ohv trans
The pre 88 fwd 3.8's use most of the same parts as the GN's just diffrent blocks and heads but the GN heads will bolt to the fwd engine. Quite a few fiero guys running GN engines in their fieros.
85 fiero GT 3800 sc swap in progress
98 Sunfire 4.9 and AWD swap in progress
85 S-10 turbocharged 3800
83 Citation x-11 turbocharged 3.1 with AWD 6000 running gear SOLD
94 Bonneville SLE daily driver
94 Bonneville SSEi wifes pearl pink daily driver
93 Bonneville SSEi I duno why
94 Bonneville SSEi parts for the rest of them
Adar Blight wrote:i am speaking of the 2.8 v6 you guys have in the 90-94 isnt' the 2.2 a 4cyl? if you are refering to that then can't the 3800 be swapped into the 95 plus engine bay with ease with teh v6 moutns from a 90-94?
and has this been done before? build threads anyone?
The 2.8 isn't in 90-94 Cavs. It was the 3.1, which is a stroked 2.8. The bellhousing pattern is the same as the 2.2 OHV, which is a 4cyl. The 95+ unibody is different and uses different engine mounts. There are a few 3rd gen owners who have installed 60dV6s in their cars, but its not a direct swap and requires custom mounts. The 2nd gen J bodies all use the same mounts and mounting points, no matter what engine is in the car.
You won't need a bellhousing adapter to use a 3800SC in a 1st or 2nd gen. The MG2 trans found behind the 2.8/3.1 will bolt right up, as well as the MK7 found behind the 2.2 (why anyone would do that though is beyond me), and obviously the TH125C auto.
Plenty of guys have swapped 3400s into 1st and 2nd gens, its actually become the norm to swap to that. It only requires on custom mount, everything else (besides wiring) is plug and play. But you are talking about the DOHC if I'm understanding you correctly. That is not a direct swap, and barely fits in the bay, and only one person I know of has attempted it, but its not done yet.
The 2.8/3.1 is MPFI.
Some good reference sites for 60dV6 stuff-
www.60degreev6.com
www.domesticcrew.com.
www.v6z24.com
James Cahill wrote:
You won't need a bellhousing adapter to use a 3800SC in a 1st or 2nd gen. The MG2 trans found behind the 2.8/3.1 will bolt right up, as well as the MK7 found behind the 2.2 (why anyone would do that though is beyond me), and obviously the TH125C auto.
Plenty of guys have swapped 3400s into 1st and 2nd gens, its actually become the norm to swap to that. It only requires on custom mount, everything else (besides wiring) is plug and play. But you are talking about the DOHC if I'm understanding you correctly. That is not a direct swap, and barely fits in the bay, and only one person I know of has attempted it, but its not done yet.
The 2.8/3.1 is MPFI.
Some good reference sites for 60dV6 stuff-
www.60degreev6.com
www.domesticcrew.com.
www.v6z24.com
I have the L67 in my 98. I run an F23 5-speed (from a 2002 2.2l cavy) and I have not had one problem with it yet and I beat the living @!#$ out of it so to say that that tranny can't handle it is BS.
As far as the DOHC 3.4 in a 3rd gen, it has been done. We swapped one into Brad's(Double Z) vert last year and it is far from a direct bolt in (just like the sc 3800.) We used the same frame design that we did for my swap but made up different mounts obviously. We also converted the car over to OBD1 to make the wiring a little easier but it can be done with OBD2, just takes a little more time.
Quoth the Raven 'Nevermore
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raven wrote:I have the L67 in my 98. I run an F23 5-speed (from a 2002 2.2l cavy) and I have not had one problem with it yet and I beat the living @!#$ out of it so to say that that tranny can't handle it is BS.
I'm not talking about the Getrag, I'm talking about the Isuzu behind the LN2.
James Cahill wrote:raven wrote:I have the L67 in my 98. I run an F23 5-speed (from a 2002 2.2l cavy) and I have not had one problem with it yet and I beat the living @!#$ out of it so to say that that tranny can't handle it is BS.
I'm not talking about the Getrag, I'm talking about the Isuzu behind the LN2.
Oh yeah then I would have to agree with ya.
the Isuzu trannies are junk. I thought you were talking about the getrag, sorry my bad.
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
i have a remaned motor and if anyone knows how much they turn the crank when they rebuild them
Hey i have a tranny quesiton actually.
1. say i had a thm125c 3spd auot how much power have you guys heard thrown at that not modified? does anyone knwo that last year these wer made? (i've got one in my 85 fiero gt ... its old and blows.)
2. I was talking about the 3.4 pushrod out of the camaros - and what of the early 90's then again. there is the 3.4 lt pushrod with aluminum heads of the later years also.
3. And for the getrag 5 speed what year did they put it in last? and in what cars? are sthey stil making it? there is a kit to put a fwd getrag in the fieros and as far as i know the fwd getrags have the ability to handle more power.
Us fiero guys are bolting small blocks and northstars to the 125 with out a problem. My GT had a 355 that out 380 to the wheels and i never broke it.
The FWD and RWD Getrags are internaly the same the only diffrence was the shift lever set up and where cables connected to them at. The fiero guys just switch to them because they are a lot easier to find. They are still making them as far as i know but not one that will bolt to the standered FWD pattern in your fiero I'm guessing those dissapeared with the 2.4's in the j bodys
85 fiero GT 3800 sc swap in progress
98 Sunfire 4.9 and AWD swap in progress
85 S-10 turbocharged 3800
83 Citation x-11 turbocharged 3.1 with AWD 6000 running gear SOLD
94 Bonneville SLE daily driver
94 Bonneville SSEi wifes pearl pink daily driver
93 Bonneville SSEi I duno why
94 Bonneville SSEi parts for the rest of them
Wait are you the guy that talked to vega (being me) at Penock's fiero forums?
Either way do you have a dyno sheet and pics of that? cause if you do i would to see them. Heck do you live in MN any or even Wisconsin? I would love to see you in person to talk about that. i Am talking to Kevin Lindermen and he would agree that yeah great tranny will alst you froever being beaton on EXCEPT it is not worth it for a motor swap. there i a guy in wisconsin tha tv8 archie uses to beef up that tranny but in the end it is not worth it most people switch over to a 4t60 and fidn that it is crap then they try to use the 4t60e and fidn that it does not bolt up to a sbc and then they just use a 4.9 caddy or a 3.8 sc and those are the only worth while swaps with an automatic as far as i know.
