I was wondering If anyone remembers a few Chevy Beretta prototypes that were featured in Hot Rod about 6 years ago. There was a couple of AWD versions and also a RWD version known as the Feretta. The one I'm really interested in is the AWD twin turbo V-6. If my memory serves me, they used a rearend assembly from a Pontiac 6000 SSE that had the AWD option. Basically, I would like to track down someone who may know what parts were used or what could be used from the transmission back. I'm really into rally and I spend most of my spare time working on EVOs and Galant VR4s. Just for laughs, I'm giving thought to fitting my Cavalier project with AWD, or atleast attempting it. I know it wouldn't be cheap, and it'll be hard to do, but hey, if a guy can spend the time and effort to stuff an L67 in a Z24, why can't I make mine AWD?


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

have fun... its stiilll going to cost you way to much. and if you cant find that motor or even put it in the car it will be useless because that little 4 banger wont do much with awd.. just have fun is all i can say and i hope your pockets are loaded.... its still going to cost you way to much to be pratical...

Try a rear out of a new AWD Equinox and the transfer case off a new Uplander. The rear your gonna just have to fab to make it fit. The trasnfer case is a direct bolt on to the output ( passenger ) side of the trans in the newer Cavs and Sunfires and now the Cobalts as well. How do I know? Check out the part number of the gasket for that side of the trans for the AWD Uplander and the above mentioned cars there the same gasket so why wouldn't it bolt right up. Then you'll just need to cut the floor for the driveshaft tunnel and have a shaft made. The engine is up to you, I figured out the
suspension part for you. Good Luck, Oh and make sure you credit me with the suspension set up when you finish it.






Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

I realize this could (would) be expensive, and I also realize it could be a real pain in my @zz, but I look at it this way: It's all in the name of big stupid fun. I'll prpbably never even do it, but I figured this topic was fresh and might spark some interest. But lets say I go through with it. It's not impossible. I keep seeing people ask if we can swap trannys in our cars, and all anyone says is no. Guess what. I bolted a Getrag to my LN2. Yes, it was a pain to do, and took some custom work, but I did it. Custom bell housings have been around for years, kids. It's not a new concept. Raven put an L67 in his Z24. Even though people said it can't be done, he did it, and it's crazy fast from what I hear. I have the fab skills to make it happen, so labor costs just went down. I'm pretty sure I could make the Pontiac SSE rearend fit with some tweeking. As far as the drive shaft, that isn't hard to make. Just take measurements, start building. The only issue there is the floor. Obviously the gas tank would have to go. The BIGGEST issue is the ranny. All I know about the Beretta was they used a CV joint to get power to the drive shaft. I just don't know how they did it. Would it be worth it? Maybe not, but then again, is doing anything to our cars worth it?


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

/\ /\ /\ Um did you even read my post? Its the one above yours! I've showed you how to
do the trans its not hard at all.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Um... Yeah. I did read it, and it's a good idea, better than any other ideas I've had so far, except I'm not too sure there would be enough ground clearance. Isn't the transfer case from the Equinox kinda... I dunno... Big? It's off an SUV, afterall. Then again, I 've never even looked at one before. Is it laid out like the typical truck with a drive shaft connecting a transfer case to the trans, or is the transfer case connected directly to the trans?


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

My bad. The transfer case from the Uplander. How is the whole thing laid out? WTF is an Uplander anyway? I haven't seen one. Not a GM guy. I'm a Mitsubishi guy through and through. Ask me about anything new from GM and I have no idea.


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

it can be done, using Isuzu parts.........




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It's the new Chev van replacing the Venture.




'99 2200 LS CX1 Sport

The Uplander is the new mini van. Basicly an up dated Venture van. Anyway the transfer case bolts on to the passenger side of the transmission where the axle for the passengers front wheel connects. Its small and compact not what you would call a transfer case at all its more like a split off. Then as for the rear I suggested an Equinox rear cause its a small truck and it has an independent rear suspension so all you need
do if nessacary is cut down the drive axles and "A" arms to the length you need.

But if you wait I have a funny feeling the HHR is comeing out with AWD cause the new ones are listed in my computer as 4X2's Now why would G.M. list them that way unless there planning a 4X4 version. Oh and BTW the HHR is built on the Cobalts
chassis so lets see a 4X4 HHR would mean a AWD Cobalt SS could be in the future.
Now that would be cool!!




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Hmm... I'm getting a funny feeling... And doesn't the Cobalt use the same Getrag GM put in the Cavaliers? It's crazy enough, it just might work! I'm trying to find some info on the 6000 SSE rear drive parts but the damn things were so rare I don't even know if I could find what I need. THe equinox stuff could be retrofitted, I'm sure, but the SSE rearend should, in theory, fit more easily. I don't think the track width and all that would be far off. COuld be wrong, though.


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

Jackalope wrote:The Uplander is the new mini van. Basicly an up dated Venture van. Anyway the transfer case bolts on to the passenger side of the transmission where the axle for the passengers front wheel connects. Its small and compact not what you would call a transfer case at all its more like a split off. Then as for the rear I suggested an Equinox rear cause its a small truck and it has an independent rear suspension so all you need
do if nessacary is cut down the drive axles and "A" arms to the length you need.

But if you wait I have a funny feeling the HHR is comeing out with AWD cause the new ones are listed in my computer as 4X2's Now why would G.M. list them that way unless there planning a 4X4 version. Oh and BTW the HHR is built on the Cobalts
chassis so lets see a 4X4 HHR would mean a AWD Cobalt SS could be in the future.
Now that would be cool!!

ding ding ding.. we have a winner folks.. there are already awd deltas running around as show/proto cars.. one is even a awd turbo 2.0 redline. an awd 2.0T cobalt SS would be like the mecca of gm sport compactness. although having a awd cavvy would be very very nice (and if done right cheaper/lighter). maybe use the rearend out of a s10. i think thats what hey guy who did the BBC swap in teh cavvy did. good luck man!



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..

Smoewhere theres a 2nd gen running around with a 3800 SC and 6000 running gear. I only have one pic of it (and I'm not even sure this is it, its been a while since I found out about it.

Not sure how it would work with the axles and shift linkages but what about mounting a fwd tranmission leght wise?

There's no need to mount the transmission inline. Everything would be from an AWD platform that has a transverse mounted drivetrain. Now, if someone has managed to fit the 6000 components into a 2G, I can't see how it would be too different putting in a 3G. As this is my first GM build, I need a little education here. In all fairness, how different is the rear suspension between the two generations? It would seem that GM wouldn't have made too many changes since it's the same platform. Granted, the new Cobalt is a Delta platform, but what about the older Cavaliers? And if someone has already done this to a Cavy, I could probably search that car on the web and maybe he's on the Org somewhere? I may be crazy to want to try this, better to ask than someone who's already gone mad and pulled it off?


"Silly cluth, glazing is for donuts!"

You need to get the driveshaft plasma cut to length and then professionally welded and balanced then put on. If not, then it will vibrate and will be terribly unsafe.

Anyone who thinks this is stupid, is in turn, stupid. This is the best performance idea I have seen on this site. I did the same thing with my mirage and made it into a mini evo, its death due to a drunk driver while it was PARKED, pisses me off still, but it will be redone, maybe even to my sunfire so I wont feel ashame while I drive it.




Girls suck, buy a fast car.

no one said it but, isn't there a AWD Saturn VUE. i think they have the ecotec in them, mated with the getrag. i think

i'm pretty sure the AWD Vue is V6 only

Gm websight shows that it comes with an ecotec 4cyl, or a V6 in FWD. Bot only the V6 comes in AWD.

/\ /\ /\ /\ correct

and ive seen the awd turbo redline at woodward 3 years ago b4 the redline came out. so it deffinatly possible trough the gm parts bin i doubt you would even hafta go back to the old 6000 although used parts are always cheeper than new. good luck and i hope you go through with this it would be so fun on street!

The Vue is the same as the Equinox.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

^^ not quite

The Equinox is a D body, and the Vue is a E body i think



'99 2200 LS CX1 Sport

There are a couple points people are missing...

1. The cost it'll take for you to make this happen will be more than you would want to spend. You're talking about taking a chassis from another vehicle or fabricating your won chassis. That means you need either buy a car for it's chassis or pay someone to fabricate it for you.

2. You need to figure out how you are going to power your front and rear wheels. When you do figure this out, you need to pay someone to do this kind of work.

3. Even if you succesfully made this AWD J-body, you need a good amount of power to supply your AWD vehicle. 140 or so HP will probably make your car slower with AWD than when you were FWD.

Not saying no one can do it but I'm saying that if you have to come on here and ask how it's to be done, that's not a good sign. If you have the intelligence to do it, do it and prove us wrong.

Good Luck.



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What I don't understand is why people just talk about this, and noone is doing it yet?
Man back 5 years ago when I just came here this idea has been chilling around the ORG and it still is, I mean what the hell.
If you want to do it and if you have money to do it anything can be done.

If anyone has $15,000 to spend on this project get ahold of John Mackleer and he has a shop in Mass. that WILL do it, not that could.
Now I have done all kinds of swaps, and so have other people and if you are so set at it you just do it, and when it is done you talk about it.
Steve (Blue) has done the RHD conversion in the Cavy using some of the Porsche components and it is successful.

1st even when I was doing the auto to 5 speed swap, when there was NOONE that could tell me how to do it.
I studied how the auto tranny works and then how 5 speed works and all the working parts and when it all made sense I did the swap.
Whoever wanna do this needs to find out how AWD works in cars, NOT TRUCKS and VANS.
and then just do it and figure out the Fabrication part in progress so that way you cannot back out of it.

I am very familiar in how 2nd Gen GS-X's work and it is very simple.
A lot more simple than the trucks.
You have a Front wheel drive tranny that has a TK shaft coming out if it and the T case is bolted to it and it is so small that it all it still on the passanger side of the car cause the exhaust is in the middle.
then the 3 piece drive shaft and then the 3 bolt rear end.
These components from the DSM's might be small but they can take a beating.
T-cases to like 400 AWHP and rear little more than that.
In a AWD car that translates to mid 11's or better.

I say screw the use the tranny from this car and this from this car and all that crap.
Just use the motor and the tranny and the rear end from ONE car so that way the only fabrication that you are gonna need is to get the motor in there and 4G63 is not any bigger than your regular LD9 or a L61.
Once you have the motor in the car everything else is minor.
Rear end can be made to fit.
Axles can be cutom made to lenght (Gator Axles will make you ANY spline with ANY axle)
Drive shafts can be cut, welded and balanced.

So if they can fit a 4G63 in a Civic why can't you put it in a J.
What are you all waiting for???
Start your projects it will be a long winter but NOT without about $10,000 in your pocket.
There is also a AWD 4G63 powered Mitubishi Mirage Coupe around here (local) runs 10.20's at 138mph street car all the way, Guy JUST had the cage put in it cause they wouldn't let him run at the track.



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