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Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...LONG
Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:44 PM
Well, FINALLY got around to getting cams installed on the Z.
Definaetely a 'hybrid' swap. Will get to that in a minute.
Shouts to Craig and Jason for the installation. (my pocket thanks you too)

About the car 1st thing its an AUTOMATIC....AUTO...NON stick.......Automatic Tranny
I don't street race, drag, or autox. But since I can't leave well enough alone, and I'm a guy so...........Ok....

Performance mods adding about 30hp:
Filled in 'Z24' on the sides
Y2K tails
Matrix Projector headlights w/ clear covers
painted High Output IDI cover
Buttonless shift knob
Fizzy Dice

Mods that do nothing for hp:
AEM alt pulley
Unortho Crank
HO manifold w/ adapter flanges
Free flowing el cheapo thrush muffler
FACTORY EXHAUST.....(not good)

Being installed:
"Mystery" intake cam w/ .375 lift. Assumed 260 duration stock 33mm cam tower.
LO cam swap exhaust cam. 200 @ .375 and LO/HO 35mm cam tower.

There is a story behind the 'mystery' intake cam. Because it did buy it with a 'mystery' exhaust cam. Both sold to me as jbp stage 2 cams. Jbp said otherwise......email for story if interested.

Process/Observations:
Installtion goes as any other cam swap. Couldn't use the 35mm intake cam tower because the power steering pump didn't match up.
Also, there is a sensor that plugs on right siderear of the intake tower (installer facing the car). For the 35mm tower set, the sensor is on the right side of the exaust tower.

So basically we put the original factory senser that was in the intake tower on the exhaust tower since we knew it worked. (obviously since I've been driving the dang car), And had a spare lying around to plug up the new sensor hole. Thank goodness for spare pmisc. parts.

So everything goes in, timing gets done, and we fire up everything good to go.

Road test:
Ok, so I'm a wussy. I didn't push the thing any different than my normal driving.
So no high reving past 4k rpm. Don't wanna kill things before they settle.

On the road (spoiler warning):
Now I have a factory exhaust set up.
So once on the road butt dyno says..............................
NO CHANGE FROM STOCK!!!

That's right folks. Don't get it twisted. For those poor saps like myself riding on factory exhaust system....all those faint of heart be sitting down.......butt dyno........again.....
cam swap does NOTHING!!!

Ok, not absolutely nothing.
First of all, the low end is still there.
Second, it is easier to get going uphill.
Thrid, the engine bay/ overall tone is a little more ballsy sounding

But, that said, everything else feels the same. And I can fell the restriction coming from
the factory system. Them gasses simply can't get the heck out fast enough. But I can feel it wants too. Maybe some auto exlax needed.

Conclusion worth it or not:
ABSOLUTELY!!!....
1. Education. I got to see how the cams are installed. Saw the inners of the cylinderhead, side of the engine, engine components, and understand why working on our cars is a BIOTCHY!!.

2. Furture potential. I know the gitty up is there. Just get a nice custom exhaust and its on boyiee. Thinking about 2" inner diam exhuast. Yeah, I'm a wuss.

3.Little bragging. I got to post up on here. And I got something about my ride to talk about around the nuclear camp fire.

Tips, general to keep things running smooth:
1. Have an extra set of hands. There were three of us.
2. Have plenty of lighting. Flickering flourescents suck.
3. Have plenty of rags, Q-tips, clean up stuff.
4. Have lots of engine oil handy. For real. Esp with them 35mm lifters.
5. Take your time, be anal if you have to, but still enjoy yourself.

Thanks for reading.
Anyone else with hints or tips for me to look out for let me know.
-M


Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.

Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:56 PM
so did you use the HO exhaust cam like I said in the email or just the secret cam swap, I noticed the difference and so did my buddy who also drives automatic. you shoulda dynoed b4 and after cuz they make a big difference.


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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 4:15 AM
Couldn't use the HO exhust cam.
It came damaged in the mail.


So the 200 @ .375 spec cam is in the car now for the exhaust. ANd its in the cam housing with 35mm lifters.

-M


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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 8:10 AM
yeah, that was fun.

The exhaust needs to be done man. Where is that header you were going to get?

Good luck with it. I'll start disassembling the head you left here and marking it up for the port job.




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 10:13 AM
good to see it done man! i'll be here to clear the codes when ya need.



Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 10:24 AM
Art, help him out with the oil leak man. apparently there is oil leaking somewhere.

No codes, man. 2.4 doesn't throw codes even with HO cams. Only thing I can see throwing a code is that HO manifold.




-da chinchilla

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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 10:26 AM
which area is the oil leak?.... like pan area, or moreso up top?

nah he just called and its a previous code thats occured he said he needed cleared. def not in reference to you guys installin the cams though



Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 12:44 PM
Oh yeah, those headers.... well basically...

Got a header, sold it off.... repeat x 3


But we'll figure out the oil thing.
May be nothing as the thing is still full.
But something is dripping somewhere when things heat up.

-M


Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 2:54 PM
So... do you think it would be lots better with proper exhaust? Cause I got the Hybrid cams sittin in the garage and Its sounds kilda like they're not worth it....Although I do have a 4-1 header and a full (high-flo cat too) 2.25 exhaust. ? Is it for sure worth it?



Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 7:25 PM
Oh, definitely worth it. Throw them in. Absolutely for sure.






-da chinchilla

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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Monday, September 05, 2005 7:47 PM
Okay, awesome! Yeah, I'll let you guys know what I think whenever I get around to getting them in.




Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:54 AM
Damn, and I have an HO exhaust cam sitting on the shelf............amoung other things

I am glad I was able to come over and lend a hand. Now just get a full exhaust on that Z and have fun




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:04 AM
I would say among other things...damn man...You have quite a few dollars on them shelves.




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:24 AM
Yeah, I am a Jbody parts pack rat...........have been for years




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:16 PM
May have found where the leak was coming from.

The dipstick shaft wan't in completely......*cough cough*
No more check oil lights.
But its gonna have to burn off all the stuff that's on there.

Torqued down the bolts to spec....*cough cough*
Also, the engine is a lot quieter now.

Had the battery off so the check engine/ets off reset.
And I can go back and futz with the idle if need be.
All good

Thanks again guys,
-M



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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:19 PM
LOL....I asked if it was down all the way!!

Good to hear things are good now. I was worried about that oil thing.




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:30 PM
That would be my bad. Craig did ask me about that, and I looked again and it *appeared* to be all the way in

I am glad it is OK now




Jason
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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:46 PM
hey peeps , i have a 1997 z i want to do the cam swap. so i need the exhaust out of a ho quad 4 and what is the intake side? do i need to change the cam housing? HELP MEEEEE


Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:44 PM
You need the exhaust from an LO 2.3 and the intake from a 95 2.3




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:08 PM
wont need to change the cam housing. 90-94 LO exhaust cam, 95 intake cam. New gaskets to replace those that you break the seal on, and new lifters.




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:42 PM
I didnt change my lifters in fact they looked to be in perfect condition even at 160,000kms



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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:26 PM
thanks for the info. but what is the LO stand for?


Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:17 AM
I am not even going to start with the lifter thing again. I am tired of people cheaping out on the vital parts of their engine. The lifters may appear to be in good condition, but they are worn to the cam that was pressing on them...each cam has it's own fingerprint...Read a GM shop manual, even they tell you that each lifter must be matched to its specific lobe on the cam. If the cam is remove so too must be the lifters. Every good performance mechanic knows that if you change the cam, you MUST change the lifters to be safe...no matter how good they look.

Anyway, LO means Low Output.




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Re: Just installed, secrect, jbp cams....ghetto...
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:12 AM
Doesn't make sense not to change the lifters when you have everything apart. You have spent the time to tear everything down just to get to the cams, take the extra 5mins to change the lifters

LD2 is Low Output 2.3
LGO is High Output 2.3




Jason
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