Ok me and a couple buddies are going to get pacesetter armour coated header, for uor cars...now everything i have read is good about pacesetters quality but i have heard from a couple..especially the people im buying them from that they are crappy and the flanges warp in no time and so on..is this true with our cars oh and they also said the ball scoket leakes alot as well...are these real problems or just a bad past rep? please let me know people that have these headers. I have a 95 sunfire 2.2 and the other is a 96 cav 2.2 and the other is a 2000 2200 cav...thanks ..phil
well i can speak, since i have a 2.2OHV 4-1 style armor coated header, AFTER A YEAR OF HAVING IT INSTALLED ON MY CAV, I'VE HAD THE WELDS BREAK & MY BALL/SOCKET JOINT IS NOW LEAKING!!! IF I WAS TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE EITHER PICKED RKSPORT OR STAN'S HEADER!
[thats just my rant & 2centz!]
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did you use a flex joint or not?
Wow! 2.2 OHV shakes like hell with stock mounts, and I don't see any in your profile, ever think that could be why you are having trouble?
sticky tires wrote:well i can speak, since i have a 2.2OHV 4-1 style armor coated header, AFTER A YEAR OF HAVING IT INSTALLED ON MY CAV, I'VE HAD THE WELDS BREAK & MY BALL/SOCKET JOINT IS NOW LEAKING!!! IF I WAS TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE EITHER PICKED RKSPORT OR STAN'S HEADER!
[thats just my rant & 2centz!]
Don't stiffer mounts = more shaking? If so, I don't see how you could blame the header cracking on him having stock mounts. If a header breaks like that on stock mounts there is something wrong with the header. They can't expect everyone that buys it to already have changed a certain part or if they do they should give a disclaimer.
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FieryOne wrote:Don't stiffer mounts = more shaking? If so, I don't see how you could blame the header cracking on him having stock mounts.
On poly mounts, the rest of the car would have feel more shaking yes, however the engine wouldn't; thus the engine wouldn't be shifting under WOT and causing the welds to flex.
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'01 Cavalier Z24 - 5Speed
MaxThrottle.Com
BlackEco wrote:Wow! 2.2 OHV shakes like hell with stock mounts, and I don't see any in your profile, ever think that could be why you are having trouble?
sticky tires wrote:well i can speak, since i have a 2.2OHV 4-1 style armor coated header, AFTER A YEAR OF HAVING IT INSTALLED ON MY CAV, I'VE HAD THE WELDS BREAK & MY BALL/SOCKET JOINT IS NOW LEAKING!!! IF I WAS TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE EITHER PICKED RKSPORT OR STAN'S HEADER!
[thats just my rant & 2centz!]
i have BOTH RKsport upper & lower engine mounts!.
heres pics of my header!
<--welds went bad, had to have it rewelded!
<--ceramic coating flaking off
<--ceramic coating flaking off
this is a year old pacesetter 4-1 2.2OHV ceramic coated header!
oh yeah, and my ball/socket joint is now leaking! [which i now have to fix!]
Coming soon to a SoCo Area!
(no its not a car club)
Wow that sucks, Sorry i doubted you I would be b1tching to pacesetter if that was me. The ceramic coating coming off for me is kind of of expected, but not the cracks.
LOL I guess it was a good reminder to update the profile
am in not correct in saying that a flex pipe solved everything for me?
BlackEco wrote:Wow that sucks, Sorry i doubted you I would be b1tching to pacesetter if that was me. The ceramic coating coming off for me is kind of of expected, but not the cracks.
i've tryed! and all i got from them is "do you have a recipt?" in which i dont have. so i gave up. i'm saving up for a custom turbo, and hopefully the welds on that wont break
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stickey tires , not sure where you got the header from , but that is the old 4-2-1 header , and those are about 2 years old or older , and with no recipt , you should be able to get 1 from the place you bought it from ?
the newer header is the 4-1 header , and is made here in the US , where the 4-2-1 was not
all the ohv's ive been in with mounts , dont vib any worse than stock , just a little vibration noise is all ive heard , you do notice them on take from a dead stop
yeah ive got a pacesetter on my old 2.2 and still see the car everyday, my headers doing just fine, been about 1 1/2 yrs now.
Um kinda curious, Those pics show a hose in the picture. On my 2200 its not there, so is that just another differenace of the 2.2 OHV?
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hmm odd i hope to hear other stuff cause i want this header cause i dont know who make a better one..
i have a pacesetter ceramic coated header on my 97 2.2 i got it through turbotechracing's gp a while ago. its been on the car for 2 months or so and i'm very happy with it. everything fit well and i had no problems with the install. my car actually has some top end power now
I could see if this was some sort of super nice $300ish or over header, but it's not. The header itself is only like what, $140ish brand new on most sites from what I've seen? I understand that it's around $100 for their "armor coating" but still. That's pretty cheap as far as a header goes. The header I bought for my other car was not ceramic coated and still cost me almost $500. Some call it crazy, I call it ordering a quality product made out of the best materials you can find. The old saying rings true, you get what you pay for. If you're that worried about it, get the uncoated header, have the welds ground down and redone by a professional welder, and get it ceramic coated yourself; or just buy a better quality header. A flex pipe is generally always a good idea because the engine will shift under extremes. Even with poly mounts your engine is still going to move, just not as much.
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'01 Cavalier Z24 - 5Speed
MaxThrottle.Com
the pacesetter does have a flex joint , its a ball and socket style
the braided style flex has a accordian flew inside , which also distrubs exahust flow
pacesetter equals good....
the newer one at least....
and i keep ALL my reciepts.... all the way back to 1999...
I've got the 4-1 2.2L painted header.
I striped the factory paint and repainted with VHT High temp and cured the paint as per instructions.I also painted the down pipe with Dupli-color and cured that. Only problem is the Dupli-Color blistered and flaked, while the VHT is still good.
I have the poly mounts and welded the head pipe halves together, no problems there.
And I still have my reciepts since I got the car back from the Crack-Head Ex! She lost all the rest.
U guys got me thinking now to keep searching for a ceramic coated header. I was going to get the Pacesetter armourcoat one for about 200, but I dont like cracked welds. Some one mentioned it was the older ones, what about the new ones? If not Pacesetter ceramic coated what elses is out there that is ceramic coated at resonable price. Dont want to pass 300 total?
Acid7711 wrote:I could see if this was some sort of super nice $300ish or over header, but it's not. The header itself is only like what, $140ish brand new on most sites from what I've seen? I understand that it's around $100 for their "armor coating" but still. That's pretty cheap as far as a header goes. The header I bought for my other car was not ceramic coated and still cost me almost $500. Some call it crazy, I call it ordering a quality product made out of the best materials you can find. The old saying rings true, you get what you pay for. If you're that worried about it, get the uncoated header, have the welds ground down and redone by a professional welder, and get it ceramic coated yourself; or just buy a better quality header. A flex pipe is generally always a good idea because the engine will shift under extremes. Even with poly mounts your engine is still going to move, just not as much.
that pretty much sums it up in bold
Al, on mine i have upper and lower mounts and even custom made my own auto transmission mount.... stuff doesnt move.....as much, however i also have a flex pipe...
there are two types of flex pipes out there...
ones with ridges inside and another with woven steel braid inside which is less turbulence by far....
also living on the east coast, maryland winters, salt, corrosion land.... so far so good. it was worth it.
also agree with acid on the welds if you are that iffy about it... cost you maybe 40-60$ to have it done... havent had any problems as of yet, i figure as long as i take care of my car, it will do fine.
Well I recommend the Armor Coat since I think they use JetHot.
I got the quote from Jet Hot to do the painted header.
$175.
So getting one already coated saves a bunch of money.
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
armor coat = ceramic coating
