I was wondering what all mods. could I do that would allow me to reach at least 200hp, or a little more without using a turbocharger, supercharger, and Nitrous? I no this may be a crazy question but I was just wondering if it could be done.
Full Exhaust, Air Intake, Cams, P&P Head, TB, just to name a few, of course you'll need more than that but theres some to get the list started.
full exhaust, intake, cams, headwork, throttle body, pulley, solid mounts, higher compression pistons, forged rods, fuel mods and you should be close.
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put a TRS header and intake on a HO quad and youll have a good 200
you have a 95 so dont you already have a quad?
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Just take a look at the mods I have on MY NA Motor. If your looking for cheap then dont do it, You will get close But by no means will get out with 200+ without doing some machine work and suck on your engine. Just a piece of advice from someones whose wallet suffered in that goal.
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First of all, what motor do you have?
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he has a 2.2 according to his other post about a supercharger
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99redz24 wrote:he has a 2.2 according to his other post about a supercharger
2.2 OHV or 2.2 ECOTEC?
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if its a 95 wouldnt it be a ohv 2200?
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blackNAcavie wrote:if its a 95 wouldnt it be a ohv 2200?
not the 2200 but just the 2.2l. 2200 started in 98.
and with that engine, be prepared to drain the bank account.
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blackNAcavie wrote:if its a 95 wouldnt it be a ohv 2200?
I really didn't see where it had a year for his car, otherwise I would have assumed it was a 2.2 OHV.
In my opinion, you'll have to do every modification in the book, good amount of weight reduction and some HIGH compression pistons to touch 200 whp. Honestly...WAY too much money to spend just to gain that much power. Yes 200 whp is nice but with less money on boost, you can go so much farther. Having the lack of DOHC is the part that hurts.
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BoltZ22 wrote:blackNAcavie wrote:if its a 95 wouldnt it be a ohv 2200?
not the 2200 but just the 2.2l. 2200 started in 98.
and with that engine, be prepared to drain the bank account.
What a load.... I love how all you guys who don't even have an OHV like to talk about how its such a money-hole when it isn't. If you choose your mods correctly you can make a LOT of power with the OHV. Talk to Scrufdog, he had his OHV up to 170 whp all motor, and that was on an automatic, so it would probably be 180 + on a 5 spd.
200 whp might be pushing it if you want the car to be streetable, but if you go for 10:1 compression pistons, good headwork, a reasonably agressive cam, stronger pushrods, valvesprings, and the proper ratio rockers for high lift, you can definitely have a 14 second all motor OHV if you can drive it properly. And the cost for that engine build probably won't be any more money than most people spend on turbo kits for the 2.4 or Ecotec. It all depends on how much you can do yourself. If you have to have a machine shop do the entire engine build than yeah, it might get a little bit more expensive. But if all they do is clean and hone the block, check the crank, and check all the other clearances for you, and you do the final assembly (if you don't know how, don't) than you will come up cheaper than a turbo kit if you search for deals. Oh, and use an Emanage for tuning. That way you can compensate for bigger injectors, and also tweak the ignition timing for maximum power.
The only thing to keep in mind is that once you build that motor, your only option for significantly more power is to either use nitrous, or take it back apart to change to a more aggressive cam or higher compression pistons, and then you're pushing your street gas octane limit.
If you don't want 170-190 whp to be your limit without nitrous, than go for boost. But don't for one second let the twin cam guys scare you into thinking the 2200/2.2 OHV has any less potential for a street engine than the 2.4 or Ecotec does.
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Well, how about this then. I owned a 2.2ohv and now I own an ecotec. I will say this, every engine has potential. The 2.2ohv just is a bit more work and a bit more expensive. I really wasn't worth it now that I look back at it. My stock saturn ion is faster than my modded 2.2ohv cavy was.
Read, then process the info, think logically, than if you don't have a headache afterwards, post your response
once it all sets in, you're going to take a look at horsepower / dollar amount and then you are going to go forced induction or nitrous.
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silly question...whats the difference in the 2.2l and a 1998 2200 motor?
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blackNAcavie wrote:silly question...whats the difference in the 2.2l and a 1998 2200 motor?
2.2 OHV went from 92-97
2200 went from 98-02
different head and valvetrain, different throttle body and intake manifold assemblies. top feed injectors as opposed to sidefeeds in the previous 2.2 OHV models. roller rockers stock, but not 1.6 ratio, they are 1.52 ratio. i'm sure there is more
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blackNAcavie wrote:silly question...whats the difference in the 2.2l and a 1998 2200 motor?
the T/B, cam, intake mafold, head
95-97 2.2OHV is 5HP more then 98+ 2200
i'm doing a 95-97 2.2 hybrid engine with a 98+ 2200 head, just for the fact that i can get a bigger TB made from a 98+ 2200
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the 2.2 OHV was introduce in 1990, not in 92. Even if it was a TBI engine, it was still the OHV.
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If you don't want 170-190 whp to be your limit without nitrous, than go for boost. But don't for one second let the twin cam guys scare you into thinking the 2200/2.2 OHV has any less potential for a street engine than the 2.4 or Ecotec does.
word.
check out Adler, Lowered Sunfire, Scrufdog, (and a few other guys.. can't remember their names tho) if you wanna see what the OHV is capable of
and don't forget The Flying Squirrel
all motor on the ohv is fine but if you want a daily drivable 200hp, then I would suggest putting a turbo on there.
I think people usually want to go all motor to save themselves the trouble of buying components to put a turbo on, and weld up pipes, etc etc but all motor is just as hard if not harder than going forced induction.
nitrous would be the easiest since all you have to do is mount a nozzle, cut and 'Tee' your fuel line, mount the bottle, do some switches and bam done.
turbo/super charger would be next in difficulty because you would have to make up a new manifold (either intake for s/c or exhaust for turbo), and weld up some piping. If you wanted to run higher boost (more than 5psi) you'd need an intercooler, fuel mods, and definetly some monitoring devices such as a wideband O2 sensor and an EGT gauge and probably a piggyback system like eManage, or safc-II, etc...
all motor in my opinion is the most difficult, because it almost always involves opening the engine up for internals. both nitrous and forced induction let you get away without having to rebuild your engine, but the only way to raise compression is to swap out those pistons.
Maybe the reason I'm so afraid of this is because I know how small tolerances are, and I don't have the experience or tools or facilities to rebuild an engine. Someone who's comfortable hohning cylinder walls and using a micrometer to check stuff may have it easier than me. But changing out pistons and rods on a daily driver doesn't sound like something I'd want to attempt in one day on a car 10 year old car that's definetly going to need some prep work.
Hey Sticky Tires. What kind of problems will u run into, if any, when u do the hybird swap. A 97 2.2 block with a 98 2200 head?
Al wrote:Hey Sticky Tires. What kind of problems will u run into, if any, when u do the hybird swap. A 97 2.2 block with a 98 2200 head?
This has actually been talked about and I believe it's not possible. Do a search and your probably find more info on this...
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Even if it was possible...gains from a stock head is little to none. You have to remember that it's still restrictive. If you want power, do headwork and get an aggressive camshaft.
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the advantage of a 2.2-2200 OHV swap is that the older 2.2 had side-feed injectors which are hard to find upgrades for. The 2200 has normal top-feed style injectors with more aftermarket choices available for that design.
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2.4 swap, removed balance shafts, and the below mods should put you somewhere in the 175-185 WHP range, or IOW, 210-ish crank HP
Spotabee Racing wrote:full exhaust, intake, cams, headwork, throttle body, pulley, solid mounts, higher compression pistons, forged rods, fuel mods and you should be close.
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