I have a 2004 2 door cavy its soon to be turbo'd and intercooled at 6 - 8 psi
while the engine is out of the bay getting tuned i'm going to make some slight chassis mods
such as adding a rear diff an axle and an inline tranny
does anyone have any suggestions of what diff i should use or tranny?
does anyone happen to know what the bolt pattern for the stock transaxle is?
heh... 14bolt full floater and a SM465 tranny j/k
just use a 10 bolt out of an S10 and have it shortened, 700R4 (rather, the 4L60E) tranny (but the tranny won't even bolt to the 4-banger) ... but if you're gonna do a RWD conversion, and actually invest the time and effort, just get a vortec V6 or an SBC.
But then the question is... why?? cheaper to get a 3rd gen F-body and build it up
i'm not exactly building a race car
everything is all for show and to roll up to some ass clown driving a beat ass mustang and roasting my tires just to see the look on his face
i like the ecotec too i'd rather keep that in there not to mention there probably isn't enough room in the engine bay to drop a six in. if i was to put a six in it would be a vq30dett and that would require me to completely tear out the fire wall and cut a channel big enough to fit the extra length
I am unsure what trans the solstice will be using or if the bolt pattern on that eco is same as the fwd ones. there are a few places that make rwd bits for converting quad4's to rwd for track vehicles. if you want to spend the bucks necessary to do that why not go awd using say the engine and drivetrain from a aztek ?
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cuz all wheel drive is for people who can't drive
i'm sorry no one understands why i want to do this and put all the time and effort and money into it but its basically cuz no one else has it i like being different
not to mention anyone who knows anything about cavaliers will basically cream their pants after seeing it not to mention lose control of all bodily functions and turn themselves into a drooling joyous "special person"
I say go for it.If that is what you want do it.
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Well before you invest in doing something like this, you have to remember something.
a 300 HP FWD car is faster than a 300 HP RWD because of the fact of drivetrain loss. In actuallity, it would be a waste of money to do so in my opinion. If that's what you really want to do, go for it.
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its alot of work , i wouldnt use the s10/camaro 10bolt its weak as hell
use the earlier 10 bolt from the 70's and early 80's its a 8.5" ring gear , the newer 10bolt is a 7.5"
i am also going to be doing a rwd cav , and keeping the 4cyl , i havent decieded what motor ill use yet , i might wait tell the solstice is out and find the 2.4 eco for it
interesting... but doesnt it make a point that even GMs drag car j-bodies are all front wheel drive? i know many true sportscars are RWD, but how exactly is it better unless youre doing drifting? (assuming you have the suspension upgrades necessary to get rid of wheel hop)
well from what other people say it has to wieght transfer when a car launches foward it transfer its wieght from the front to the rear because front end lifts a small bit . also with rear wheel drive a larger tire could be used after those rear tires dont have steer left and right.
like he said above , its because not tomany people have done it , most do it with V6's or V8's
having the rear drive will weight balance the car out better , for handling , and for drag racing
plus no one will really expect it , LOL
"cuz all wheel drive is for people who can't drive "
righttt...You've never driven a car with power obviously. AWD cars have virtually NO traction issues. Look at the 1st gen talons. They can 60' in 1.6-1.7, stock. Is anyone here running those kind of numbers on street radials? Not a chance.
"a 300 HP FWD car is faster than a 300 HP RWD because of the fact of drivetrain loss"
Not really. In the 1/4 I'd have money on the rwd set-up. Cutting less than a 2.0 60' with a fwd and street tires is pretty damn hard. I've seen guys with near stock 5-liter mustangs run 1.6-1.7 second 60' (street radials, aftermarket control arms/ no front sway bar). That .3-.4 seconds in the 60' usually means more than .4-.5 off the 1/4 time. And the drivetrain power loss difference between a fwd and a rwd would be too small to physically feel in a 300hp car. But it would definatly be more pronounced in a awd vehicle.
I really would be unsure to convert a J-body over to a rwd platform. It's a unibody construction, you'd have to make some subframe connectors and a cage in the car to distribute the forces from having a rwd platform.
Especially if you're making power and getting traction.
It's a whole @!#$ of a lot of work. And unless you're a mechanical engineer with a whole lot of fabricating experience, I'd advise you save yourself a lot of money and time, and buy a rwd.
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Im sorry I have to call BS on this, why even bother with the 4cyl and how are you planning to bolt it up to the trans in that configuration? Well you might as well do AWD while you are at it!
Joe Wisnewski wrote:I have a 2004 2 door cavy its soon to be turbo'd and intercooled at 6 - 8 psi
while the engine is out of the bay getting tuned i'm going to make some slight chassis mods
such as adding a rear diff an axle and an inline tranny
does anyone have any suggestions of what diff i should use or tranny?
does anyone happen to know what the bolt pattern for the stock transaxle is?
BlackEco wrote:Im sorry I have to call BS on this, why even bother with the 4cyl and how are you planning to bolt it up to the trans in that configuration? Well you might as well do AWD while you are at it!
Joe Wisnewski wrote:I have a 2004 2 door cavy its soon to be turbo'd and intercooled at 6 - 8 psi
while the engine is out of the bay getting tuned i'm going to make some slight chassis mods
such as adding a rear diff an axle and an inline tranny
does anyone have any suggestions of what diff i should use or tranny?
does anyone happen to know what the bolt pattern for the stock transaxle is?
well you can shove your BS , back into your butt
1 example of a rear drive quad
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this hot rod recently moved to TX , and there is a black turbo hot rod similar to that 1 here local in phoenix
several companies offer bellhousings for eco , and quad rear drive
thank you please drive through and GO home
When I said that comment I meant with proper traction issues fixed...
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Joe Wisnewski wrote:i'm not exactly building a race car
everything is all for show and to roll up to some ass clown driving a beat ass mustang and roasting my tires just to see the look on his face
i like the ecotec too i'd rather keep that in there not to mention there probably isn't enough room in the engine bay to drop a six in. if i was to put a six in it would be a vq30dett and that would require me to completely tear out the fire wall and cut a channel big enough to fit the extra length
I can roll up to a 2002 Mustang GT and beet him every time.. and i dont need rear wheel drive to do so... just seems like a pointless thing to do just for show... like some one said before... go out buy a 1998 Trans Am or Camaro and work from there... probably cost about the same but you will be starting from 325hp rather then 130hp..
Joe Wisnewski wrote: if i was to put a six in it would be a vq30dett and that would require me to completely tear out the fire wall and cut a channel big enough to fit the extra length
What's a vq30dett. Maybe you mean a VG30dett, out of a 300Zx. Or a VQ35de out of the newer z's
anyways, anything is possible... With money
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I've seen 1000 people through the years come on here and say they are going to do a RWD conversion and I have yet to see one in a 3rd gen without making it not a Cavalier anymore. It's a tube frame with a Cavalier body wrapped around it and an engine sticking out the hood. As for the AWD comment. You apparently havn't driven many AWD vehicles. They outhandle and out manuver stock for stock a RWD or FWD vehicle in most cases. I see more people that can't drive driving FWD vehicles.
If your gonna actually do it, have a nut. But I'm not holding my breath.
It's like the 3800 swap. 2 years and I've heard 1000 people talk about doing it, only 3 have done it that I have seen.
NJs Honda Killa wrote:When I said that comment I meant with proper traction issues fixed...
even with those "issues" fixed, a FWD platform will never have the launching potential of a RWD platform. weight transfer helps RWD cars, but hinders FWD cars
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97Cavie WTF is your deal, this post it total BS,
It would require a complete refabrication of the front end to do what you are talking about. Big suprise somebody has done this with the quad4! We are talking about a stock Jbody Chassis.
You might as well cut up a cavy and drop it on an s-10. Plus the Jbody chassis is not designed to deal with torque in the way you are mounting that motor. You would need to tube and entire frame out first.
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BlackEco wrote:Im sorry I have to call BS on this, why even bother with the 4cyl and how are you planning to bolt it up to the trans in that configuration? Well you might as well do AWD while you are at it!
Joe Wisnewski wrote:I have a 2004 2 door cavy its soon to be turbo'd and intercooled at 6 - 8 psi
while the engine is out of the bay getting tuned i'm going to make some slight chassis mods
such as adding a rear diff an axle and an inline tranny
does anyone have any suggestions of what diff i should use or tranny?
does anyone happen to know what the bolt pattern for the stock transaxle is?
well you can shove your BS , back into your butt
1 example of a rear drive quad
<img src="http://www.hotautoweb.com/images20/Img_2972.jpg">
this hot rod recently moved to TX , and there is a black turbo hot rod similar to that 1 here local in phoenix
several companies offer bellhousings for eco , and quad rear drive
thank you please drive through and GO home
get sponsored and have them pay for it.. it will cost well more than the cavvy your modding. non-R32 Gti's have a similar style mod to AWD but those platforms were ready for it and they still cost $14000. not worth it in my eyes. just learn to launch you fwd car! also people have pulled decent 60' times and slicks help alot!
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
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cuz all wheel drive is for people who can't drive
i'm sorry no one understands why i want to do this and put all the time and effort and money into it but its basically cuz no one else has it i like being different
as is this thread is for someone who obviously doesn't know jack $#%^
I sure as hell hope you want to chop the hell out of your car for something a bit more than "being different"
if you're turbo charging your eco thats awesome...turning the engine sideways so you can have RWD I think you're biting off a HELL of a lot more than you can chew
1) A cradle for the engine.. your motor mounts are def not going to work anymore.
2) Making a transmission tunnel... good luck finding a trans that will fit and work
3) Reinforcing the body.... remember the tunnel you made? bye bye unibody stiffness
4) throw away the entire rear of the car... time for a custom rear suspension
5) where's your exhaust going to go now? Hope you don't plan on lowing your car at all.. and don't mind a hot exhaust pipe under your ass
6) tranny mounts...
7) running all new clutch lines (this might actually not be that hard)
8) a rear diff with a similar ratio so the car still behaves the same under the go pedal
9) custom drive shaft(s)
then you have to worry about rear brakes, the ABS freaking out, the computer throwing a fit since it doesn't see the normal transmission, on top of all the turbo bugs that come with throwing a hair dryer on a normally N/A motor
Believe me I, more than anyone, would love to see a RWD 3rd gen Jbody...
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i am also going to be doing a rwd cav , and keeping the 4cyl , i havent decieded what motor ill use yet , i might wait tell the solstice is out and find the 2.4 eco for it
a solstice drivetrain in a jbody is the smartest thing I've heard... in fact I had the same idea. All the work is done for you... just find a donor soltice (funny since they're not even OUT yet) and then get to swapping it all/ making it fit/work in a J
Its not impossible, but if you make a post on the org about how to do it, (sorry to burst your bubble) then you can't, and won't.
So keep dreaming.
Thankyou FlyingSquirrel
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