Ok guys well I am putting the 450cc DSM injectors on my 2002 eco and they fit, but the car will NOT fire.
I pulled the plugs out and they are drenched with fuel.
Is there a possibility that the spark plugs cannot fire because there is too much gas??
Damn, this crap again.



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What is the gap on the plugs? What fuel pressure are you injecting at? That could very well be the issue..





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you flooded the motor


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them injectors are way to farkin big , hahn uses 1's that are over 100cc's less for 8-10 psi

and the base fuel pressure is 35 psi with them also

Stock Eco fuel pressure which is about 50 psi and those injectors.
I pulled the spark plugs out and they are drenched like I said, so I just talked to a shop and they said I still need resistors(10 ohm) even running low impedance injectors on a high system because it is making the injectors stay open for way too long dumping all this gas in it.
So does anyone know what do I solder the resistor in power or ground??



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doesnt matter , cause the injector is a coil



and at 50 psi idle , and 60 with no vacuum , would make it super rich

So, 97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan™), do you think by soldering the resistors in there I will be able to run the injectors and have my car start up??
And you said it doesn't matter which wire I solder the restistor on, right?

I wanna run some god damn 13's at the track tinight so I need fast help.
Thanks guys.



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You need to bring the fuel pressure down, a lot. Do you have anything to take fuel out, like an SAFC or anything?





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So shifted you don't think I need the resistors??
Ok screw these 450's I am going to try my 360's.
Damn this blows.



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I don't think the resistors are the issue, I just think you are dumping way tooo much fuel in there. If you don't take it out somehow (adjustable FPR + SAFC), then you'll never get it to run. Even the 360's are probably going to be too much without pulling the pressure down to about 35 PSI, and even then it'll idle like a big block.





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Well I got the 360's to idle but it sounds like it is missing, but then again it is not, because when I pulled the plugs on like a minute of idling those plugs got a black film over them.
It is running extremally rich now with the 360's.

I am going to try to take it for a spin, and drop the FMU from 12:1 to like 8:1 and see what is going on or is it going to lean out in boost.
So I am guessing the 450's were too much, and even 360's are.
So can a ECU throw a code for misfiring due to being so rich?
Cause I mean it sounds like it is missing.



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It can throw a misfire code, but it can't speculate as to why (too rich).





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SunCavi_L61T3/T04E wrote:Well I got the 360's to idle but it sounds like it is missing, but then again it is not, because when I pulled the plugs on like a minute of idling those plugs got a black film over them.
It is running extremally rich now with the 360's.

I am going to try to take it for a spin, and drop the FMU from 12:1 to like 8:1 and see what is going on or is it going to lean out in boost.
So I am guessing the 450's were too much, and even 360's are.
So can a ECU throw a code for misfiring due to being so rich?
Cause I mean it sounds like it is missing.

The missing is too much fuel. The Reaper does this at idle and we have the fuel pressure at 30, which is at smooth as we can get.



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plus with the plugs getting washed like they were your gonna have to clear it out , running the motor at high rpm


my friend is having run issues with 32lbs injectors that are high ohm , and he is running a base fuel pressure of 30 psi


so you have to drop the base pressure more , and use something to control the fuel more

Well managed to take it for a spin with a 8:1 disk in it and at 6 psi WOT and 5000 rpm in the 3rd EGT's were like 1180 and it wouldn't break 1200 for nothing.
And the EGT probe is in the manifold.
On idle ther EGT's are like 800. lol
Well went to the gas station and got some gas, came back home, and the car wouldn't start for anything.
Me and my boy crank it(fill it up with gas), and then we pull the injector main plug out to disconnect the injectors and man I had that thing idle for like 2 seconds with the injectors off that is how much gas was inthere.
It might have idled longer, but I didn't wanna dry run it.

So they will fit, but you have to control them.
So if I drop the Fuel PSI down to about 30 or so, I think abtou 8:1 disk should be fine to take care of boost, you guys still think it will sound like it is misfiring??




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that might correct some of it if not alot more of it

What are the 360cc injectors from? What are the stock injectors rated at? Anything else in between those two would fit? I wouldn't mind getting something a little higher flowing than stock for my planned setup, but 360cc sounds way too much for me..

how can ya expect to put injectors almost almost twice the size of the stock injectors in and expect to run the same fuel pressure? O_O bring that @!#$ down to 30 and try it out. dunno much about the eco but i did using the AFPR.


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My ford brown tops (37 lbs) were far too big for my LD9... I had to not only drop fuel pressure down to 35 psi but I had to use my S-AFC to pull out 35% of the fuel at idle just to stop it from running pig rich.

You need a way to control those injectors. That's the bottom line, both pressure and duty cycle.

Good luck.

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