First thing is first.... I would not sell my car anytime remotely soon.... i plan on having it for years to come.... and i have a lot of plans for it.
but....
i was wondering, what you guys would pay for it at its current state
Current State:
Turbo'ed 05 Sunfire Blue - Automatic Tranny
Built Bottom-end
12 Second car - HpTuned
Excellent condition exterior/interior
System - 2 12's
Pioneer Deck w/Sirius wired up.
30,000 miles
Power everything
Sunroof
Viper 791xv Security System with Proximity Sensor
Tinted Windows
Stock Aluminum rims, and a set of 4 18 inch rims
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whatever the book on the car is. mods dont mean jack, as far as im concerned... you saying that its a "12 second car" drops the price down, cuz you acknowledged you've beat on it.
i would say probly somewhere around $9,000.
just because its a 12 second car doesnt mean its been beat on. and mods do add value to some people. if youre telling me you wouldnt pay a dime more than KBB for a full body kit and rims or for a supercharger kit, well im not so sure i would believe you. to
most people these mods wont add value. but to someone who wants them or plans to mod the car, then yes they do.
KBB on your car in excellent condition is 10k. id go no more than 11-12k with all the mods if you could prove it was a 12 second car.
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z yaaaa wrote:whatever the book on the car is. mods dont mean jack, as far as im concerned... you saying that its a "12 second car" drops the price down, cuz you acknowledged you've beat on it.
i would say probly somewhere around $9,000.
there is a right way to work on a car and make it fast. just because its a 12 second car doesnt mean that its beat on. i appreciate your narrow minded outlook on my thread though
thanks for the input!
CavFire (tabs) aka tabasco wrote:just because its a 12 second car doesnt mean its been beat on. and mods do add value to some people. if youre telling me you wouldnt pay a dime more than KBB for a full body kit and rims or for a supercharger kit, well im not so sure i would believe you. to most people these mods wont add value. but to someone who wants them or plans to mod the car, then yes they do.
KBB on your car in excellent condition is 10k. id go no more than 11-12k with all the mods if you could prove it was a 12 second car.
good answer! thanks for your input
p.s. check the racing forum for proof
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Acer wrote:z yaaaa wrote:whatever the book on the car is. mods dont mean jack, as far as im concerned... you saying that its a "12 second car" drops the price down, cuz you acknowledged you've beat on it.
i would say probly somewhere around $9,000.
there is a right way to work on a car and make it fast. just because its a 12 second car doesnt mean that its beat on. i appreciate your narrow minded outlook on my thread though thanks for the input!
oh believe me, it was no trouble at all
im sorry, but your statement that "just cuz its a 12 second car doesnt mean that its been beat on" is total horsesh!t ANY production car capable of running a 12 is going to be needed to be beat on to get the number... let alone a econobox j like yours. just means it was beat on even harder to get the number.
whoever would buy a car for an outrageous price just for the mods it has is retarded. the evilZ was a prime example of this, it went for like $20,000 and it had something like $200,000 in it. mods still dont mean jack when u sell a car... IDC what u say to try and prove it. the car is ONLY worth what its worth, now yes... if you find some sucker that wants a modded car... then sure, yeah i will agree they will pay a premium price for it.
its just like this GTO my dad just tried buying... the car had aftermarket rims/tires on it. we looked up the price of the rims...and they were acctually about 1/4 of what the actual GTO rim's went for brand new from GM. and they tried saying the car was worth just as much as it would be with the actual stock rims on it. YEAH FRICKN RIGHT.
needless to say... they wouldnt come down to what we were offering because they were in love with the rims/tires. screw them-they can keep the car and sell it to some idiot.
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lol {gto story}
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GM used to retail my 95-99 z rims for $450 each....but they sure as hell werent worth that! hell you can pick up a full set with tires for about 250-300. i would much rather get a car with aftermarket rims than stock rims and would pay a few extra bucks for that. almost anyone would.
and im curious to your theory that mods dont add value. we know they dont add it to KBB, but this is different. we are talking about modders purchasing other modded cars. all the extras on a modded car carry equity because we know other people who could/would buy those mods if we so desired. i know plenty of people who have gotten good deals on modded cars and stripped them, sold the aftermarket stuff, and sold the car.
and i disagree to your statement "ANY production car capable of running a 12 is going to be needed to be beat on to get the number". If it comes from the factory like that it also has a warranty. if it has a warranty, then the parts will be quality enough to support the power it makes and therefore you wont need to "beat on it" to do anything. thats like saying you have to beat on your z to get it to run 16s. it came like that stock and normal useage permits this type of numbers.
"but his car didnt come stock as a 12 second car", you say? no it didnt. but if you use care when running an engine, and use quality parts to build it, then you dont have to beat or be harsh with it to acheive those results. we've all seen what ecotecs are capable of....plenty of power with small mods and boost. is it so incomprehensible to think that he could have acheived this without putting his engine through hell? i find it to be a very plausible solution.
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mods dont mean anything because you have to find someone that wants exactly what your selling. sometimes its hard and sometimes its easy. i think a well put together car can get more than kbb value but your also not going to get everything you put into the car back.
[quote=ßãggéÐÇåv98 Ûñqùðtäߣè Øñé ]i think a well put together car can get more than kbb value but your also not going to get everything you put into the car back.
i completely agree. never did i mean to insinuate that you could get ALL that you put in mods in your car. at best its very minimal of a return. i was just saying that it happens. i believe there is a buyer for everything. sometimes finding it a bit harder than normal though
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CavFire (tabs) aka tabasco wrote:GM used to retail my 95-99 z rims for $450 each....but they sure as hell werent worth that! hell you can pick up a full set with tires for about 250-300. i would much rather get a car with aftermarket rims than stock rims and would pay a few extra bucks for that. almost anyone would.
and im curious to your theory that mods dont add value. we know they dont add it to KBB, but this is different. we are talking about modders purchasing other modded cars. all the extras on a modded car carry equity because we know other people who could/would buy those mods if we so desired. i know plenty of people who have gotten good deals on modded cars and stripped them, sold the aftermarket stuff, and sold the car.
and i disagree to your statement "ANY production car capable of running a 12 is going to be needed to be beat on to get the number". If it comes from the factory like that it also has a warranty. if it has a warranty, then the parts will be quality enough to support the power it makes and therefore you wont need to "beat on it" to do anything. thats like saying you have to beat on your z to get it to run 16s. it came like that stock and normal useage permits this type of numbers.
"but his car didnt come stock as a 12 second car", you say? no it didnt. but if you use care when running an engine, and use quality parts to build it, then you dont have to beat or be harsh with it to acheive those results. we've all seen what ecotecs are capable of....plenty of power with small mods and boost. is it so incomprehensible to think that he could have acheived this without putting his engine through hell? i find it to be a very plausible solution.
you are mis guided in a few areas. to get a stock z run run low 16's, your FOR SURE going to NEED to beat on it to get it to run the numbers. wtf are u talking about? to me beating on it isnt EVERY DAY ALL day.. to me even the slightest run of the mill every once in a while is BEATING ON IT.
and when did i ever disgree with the statment that when ppl want a modded car, they buy one and are willing to spend extra for it? not once. i am simply saying that if you go to a dealer...and expect to get massive extra amounts of money for your mods...your going to be dissapointed. same goes for 80% of buyers out there if you sell it outright. most wont even consider ANY mod to make it worth more than the actual value. hell... IMO its retarded to buy a car with any kind of "tuner car" mods... most of the time ppl do the mods to make it faster...or handle better... hence they are going to be BEATING ON IT. now...for something like rims...i could see it yes, maybe it wouldnt have gotten beat on if somebody just added rims for looks, or maybe it did.
as for the GTO, u cant even compare a Z to a gto...not even in the same bracket man. sure, paying $450 for a new z24 rim NOW would be ludacris... but buying a brand new wheel for a $25,000 GTO isnt.
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i am simply saying that if you go to a dealer...and expect to get massive extra amounts of money for your mods...your going to be dissapointed
at every point in my replies i was specific to point out that we were talking about selling from one modder to another.
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to get a stock z run run low 16's, your FOR SURE going to NEED to beat on it
nope, not happening. my z with just an intake ran a 16.1 at the 02 bash. that was also with a passenger (fallen angel) and a broken water pump (didnt find that one out until later). since its an automatic all that was involved was putting it in D and pressing the gas. maybe your definition of beating on something is different than mine. but putting your foot down on the gas pedal a few times is NOT beating on it. think about merging onto the highway...? press the gas to give it a lil extra umph to get where you need, then let off. cars were designed with this and other things like it in mind.
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as for the GTO, u cant even compare a Z to a gto...not even in the same bracket man. sure, paying $450 for a new z24 rim NOW would be ludacris... but buying a brand new wheel for a $25,000 GTO isnt.
i am hardly comparing the two....but as far as the rims are concerned i was merely pointing out that what GM retails them for is nothing compared to what they are worth. 9 times out of 10 aftermarket rims and tires are worth more than stock rims and tires.
however think about this: even if a GTO sold for 25k, if you purchased 4 rims @ $450 each, added 4 tires at a conservative $125 each, youve come up to $2300 just for stock rims and tires, not including mouting/balancing, taxes, etc. yes that is an insane price to pay for stock rims even for a GTO. @ a 25k price tag, thats 10% of the price just for those STOCK rims/tires. its just like anything else you buy for a car....not worth nearly as much as what you paid. the difference is that aftermarket rims and tires will hold their value better than the stock ones do on almost every car out there.
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10k
if thats what blue book is
because regardless if i like the mods or not
if something was not done properly, then the car wont last as long as if i bought a car that was stock with the same mileage, etc
themarin8r wrote:10k
if thats what blue book is
because regardless if i like the mods or not
if something was not done properly, then the car wont last as long as if i bought a car that was stock with the same mileage, etc
good answer! Thanks for your input!!
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you can have a car individually appraised with the modifications done to it by a professional adjuster to get an actual value for your car if you want. they will look at all the modifications, the condition they are in, the condition of the car overall, how well the mods work/look, the condition of the remaining stock parts, etc and give you a price either above or below blue book depending on the quality of the work done and the reliability of the car since the modifications have been done. then you will have a
ballpark figure of what it is worth. here's four scenarios (just making up numbers for example):
book at $10k, appraised at $12k with mods and you could get an offer of $13k.
book at $10k, appraised at $8k, offer of $12k.
book at $10k, appraised at $12k, offer of $5k.
book at $10k, appraised at $8k, offer of $5k.
it really depends on a lot of factors, mainly quality. and of course, it depends on who's interested in buying it in the condition it's in. if they want to keep it in that condition you might get more, if they want to change it, you'll probably get less.
that's the trick about selling modified cars... you can sit here and say "well this could happen or this could happen or blah blah blah blah", but you'll never really find out until you start taking offers and/or actually sell it. that's why hypothetical questions like this are worthless and usually just cause a lot of bickering.
MikeGT wrote:Shifted wrote: Selling A Car:
Selling a car isn't easy either. First figure out what your car is worth, bottom line. Nobody cares what you owe on it, or how many payments are left. They want true down to earth numbers of what the vehicle is worth. Just as with buying a car, take a look at each of the previously stated areas and figure out a price. Start with the Kelly Blue Book private party price for your particular vehicle, and go from there.
We all know you spent thousands of dollars upgrading your car, but I hate to tell you this, when you sell your car, its almost worthless. The reason that it is worthless is that the person who is buying it will almost certainly have to go to a bank to get a loan. When a bank figures out how much money they will give a person, they look in a small (in Wisconsin its yellow) book to determine a vehicles value based on make, model, body style, engine, and mileage. It doesn't say anything in there about that awesome stereo, $1000 body kit, $5000 paint job, $1200 rims, or $600 tires. Its worthless. The best advice to those who have upgraded your cars is to part it out, whatever you can, before selling it. Return it back to as close to stock as you can before selling it. That is the only way you will come even close to recovering any of the money that you have spent modifying your car.
Then, you have to sell it. Naturally the people who are wanting to buy it will want to talk you down, so let them. Slightly overprice your car by up to $1000, and let the people talk you down. Don't go any lower than what you determined the car to be worth. Usually selling your car to a private party will give you much more money than trading it in. Many dealers don't sell the cars that they take in on trades, they bring them to auctions and have them sold. Auctions don't always give a great price, so the dealer won't give you one on a trade for it either.
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done and done. this is EXACTLY what i meant. thank you and good night!
ps. as for getting 16.1 out of a stock auto Z. hmmm... so ur saying that you hafta "slightly press on the gas" to get that number huh? hmmm... sadly...your mistaken, your going to need to FLOOR it to get it to run that number, and to me...thats BEATING on it. we do not share the same view on whats defined as "beating" on a car and not. i am done with this subject. i am going to agree to dis-agree.
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z yaaaa is so upset about this thread, lol
thanks guys for all your input!!
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z yaaaa wrote:Acer wrote:z yaaaa is so upset about this thread, lol
thanks guys for all your input!!
ha ha ha.
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z yaaaa wrote:
ps. as for getting 16.1 out of a stock auto Z. hmmm... so ur saying that you hafta "slightly press on the gas" to get that number huh? hmmm... sadly...your mistaken, your going to need to FLOOR it to get it to run that number, and to me...thats BEATING on it. we do not share the same view on whats defined as "beating" on a car and not. i am done with this subject. i am going to agree to dis-agree.
sure, lets agree to disagree on the value thing then.
i'm curious though.....if you arent allowed to floor a car once in awhile (i.e. passing on the highway, or running at the strip), is there ANY way at all to avoid beating on a car? it sounds like your definition would encompass ALL forms of driving also. possibly cornering faster than 25mph is beating on a car? or maybe a deer runs out in front of you and you have to slam on your breaks. is that covered under the definition of beating on a car too? do you check your tire pressure and brakes every time before you drive your car? i hope so, otherwise i think youre beating on it! what im saying is that there is a major difference in using a car as a car and beating on a car. just because you arent driving miss daisy doesnt mean youre treating the car like hell
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i'm curious though.....if you arent allowed to floor a car once in awhile (i.e. passing on the highway, or running at the strip), is there ANY way at all to avoid beating on a car? it sounds like your definition would encompass ALL forms of driving also. possibly cornering faster than 25mph is beating on a car? or maybe a deer runs out in front of you and you have to slam on your breaks. is that covered under the definition of beating on a car too? do you check your tire pressure and brakes every time before you drive your car? i hope so, otherwise i think youre beating on it! what im saying is that there is a major difference in using a car as a car and beating on a car. just because you arent driving miss daisy doesnt mean youre treating the car like hell
I would like to say that you can pass someone without beating on a car, you can also pass someone without flooring it. I consider beating on a car pushing the gas pedal to the floor (all the way) holding the RPMS to the rev limiter (or shift point for a auto). Also a dealer would consider this so as well. If you take a car to the track and run it you are beating on it.
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i'm curious though.....if you arent allowed to floor a car once in awhile (i.e. passing on the highway, or running at the strip), is there ANY way at all to avoid beating on a car? it sounds like your definition would encompass ALL forms of driving also. possibly cornering faster than 25mph is beating on a car? or maybe a deer runs out in front of you and you have to slam on your breaks. is that covered under the definition of beating on a car too? do you check your tire pressure and brakes every time before you drive your car? i hope so, otherwise i think youre beating on it! what im saying is that there is a major difference in using a car as a car and beating on a car. just because you arent driving miss daisy doesnt mean youre treating the car like hell
I would like to say that you can pass someone without beating on a car, you can also pass someone without flooring it. I consider beating on a car pushing the gas pedal to the floor (all the way) holding the RPMS to the rev limiter (or shift point for a auto). Also a dealer would consider this so as well. If you take a car to the track and run it you are beating on it.
THANK YOU! my point EXACTLY.
this thread isn't about the definition of beating on a car... it's about Acer wanting a guess as to the selling price he might get for his car (beat on or not). let's keep the discussion about that please. that goes for all parties.
cannon fodder wrote:this thread isn't about the definition of beating on a car... it's about Acer wanting a guess as to the selling price he might get for his car (beat on or not). let's keep the discussion about that please. that goes for all parties.
thanks!!
I just marked this post down as a loss, lol... no one is going to fish through this shiz to answer the question now... to much bs going on, lol... oh well, i was just wondering no biggie, and im not selling it anyways, so it doesnt matter
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