for a guy ( Jason Hiorth ) who's interests are speed and pocket bike racing.......sure talks alot for wanting an economy ride....just a bit of info... the air ride your looking for doesn't help fuel economy .....and pocket bikes aren't racing! And if you could afford a REAL car in your words...why did you buy a j-body? When you really do know what your talking about let me know....!
And there is spell check! In case you forgot! And now on with the show!
"If you have no clue what's going on... STFU!"
i cant afford a real car, im in university, i dont deny this...and my liquid cooled 50cc pocket bike, weighs 54lbs, and has 14.5 hp....will hit over 100km/h with the right gearing, (do you front wheel drive guys know about gearing????? ahahhaha) and will wheelie with me on it @ 190lbs.....rather then trying to dump thousands of dollars into making a 4 banger fast, i have a really fast and inexpensive bike(s), and race with the ontario pocket bike racing league, www.opbrl.com....we race every other weekend, indoor and outdoor schedules, and have anywhere from 50 to 120 racers to each event.....its a blast, and a lot less money then trying to race a cavalier....if you guys want to experience really competitive, fun, and inexpensive racing, i do recommened giving it a try
John Higgins wrote:I agree this was a dumb question. Reason so is because how do you really expect to tune anything without spending something. Even if yoou are talking about different plugs, or those secret mods (some cars have) you still have to spend some money to get those.
You adjust a carburetor on a non fuel injected car. FOR FREE!
You sir, just got PWNED by reality
, so how bout you stop flaming other that other kid, because your comments look stupid now.
Mark O wrote:John Higgins wrote:I agree this was a dumb question. Reason so is because how do you really expect to tune anything without spending something. Even if yoou are talking about different plugs, or those secret mods (some cars have) you still have to spend some money to get those.
You adjust a carburetor on a non fuel injected car. FOR FREE!
You sir, just got PWNED by reality , so how bout you stop flaming other that other kid, because your comments look stupid now.
I think he was speaking in context of JBody.org, I.E. All fuel Injection except for those who are working on their 454 Big Block AWD swaps.
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Black eco's picture says it all......
WHO'S THE LOSER NOW!!!!
do us a favor ( Jason Hiorth )....go join the pocket bike forum....ONLY REAL J-body owners need apply, not people who pose as j-body owners.
Just because you own one don't mean you are one!!
i'm done i can't do it anymore black eco is the man!
"If you have no clue what's going on... STFU!"
this thread represents everything thats wrong with the organization, a guy asks a simple question, and people start making fun of him and making him feel like @!#$. Rather, why would you now offer him alternatives to his unrealistic request. i.e., making a cheap intake system, or getting a simple and inexpensive cat back system, pacesetter, or even lightening the car to improve performace. Just because you guys have more knowledge and ability then this guy, or me for that matter, does not make you any better. Rather you should be here to assist others, not belittle them. since joining this org, this is pretty much all i have seen and read. Yes i may make fun, (im really just doing it ti cause conflict/arguments with you guys, its easy and fun) but i love to see you guys turn this slow ass cars into something that can eat a mustang or a bmw. I would not do it myself, but i can appreciate what you guys are doing. One of my future projects was to drop a 5.0 into my dads Miata, which was totaled in an accident 3 weeks ago. Most people would think that is dumb or a waste, but it was gonna be for me, not anyone else. Keep doing what youre doing, its you guys who are keeping "hot rodding" alive even with all the new emmisions controls and other restrictions. but i do feel many of you take a very arrogant approach, and there is no need for that. As for myself, i do consider myself a J Body Owner. Its my first car, and have only had it since april I think my car looks damn good for the little i have spent on it, (got a bomex body kit, and paint for free, and half price on new 5spoke blacki 18"s, and bought headlights and tails of ebay for a great price. Im cosmetic, all show, no go. But thats just me. This Org is a fantastic idea, but the attitudes of some members need to change.
i want to be involved in the j body world, and have considered going to j bash, or another large event next year, but the unwelcoming reception makes me question whether i would enjoy spending a weekend wiht such people
Oh yess, by the way i do know how to use the search function, and do with some regularity....
and im sorry i dont use the spell check guys, but i think your starting to pull at strings with that argument
Thank You for reading this long post, if anyone has anything good or postive to respond please do so,
if you wanna be a dick about it, keep it to yourself and lets put this thread to rest
Thanx, Jay
Your #1 mistake was asking about tuning in the tuning forum.... when you should have been in the performance forum if you where actually talking about making a home made intake or something like you just said.. Intakes, exhausts, cams, and bolt ons are not tuning.
Tuning involves altering the ECM, timing, and fuel.... not bolting something to the engine.
When I first joined... I got flamed like you did... but I took everything with a grain of salt and eventually learned a crap load of information from this site... I've looked back and read a few posts I made when I first joined and can't believe how stupid I was... it just takes time man....I know a lot about cars... but still know next to nothing about tuning (which is the only reason I'm in this forum... because I'm trying to learn)...
There are some people on this site that have been around the block a few times... and have learned to point out people that don't know what they are talking about.... and newbs get pegged pretty easy because of that.... hell.. I know more about cars than most of the people I know (some fellow J-body guys being an exception)... and I still have a lot to learn... Just take things for what they are... and don't start spouting out stupid stuff in an attempt to defend yourself,
When you said that FWD cars aren't race cars.... that was a mistake and your gunna get crap for it man....thats BS and we all know it... Just try to stay on topic and have an intelligent conversation.
OK, I'm not usually one to shoot off at the mouth, but something needs to be said.
Jason Hiorth,
YOU are t
e one bellitling our entire organization. According to you, our FWD J-body Cavy's and Fire's are not REAL cars, right??? Apparently, a REAL car to you is a 400 hp 1980 Corvette, with $20K dumped into it and running low 13's. If you're gonna be like that, you might as well run over to the y-body forums with dick in hand.
Granted, I guess I can see it from both sides. I, too also have a REAL car. It's a 1978 Monte Carlo with a 350. Guess what? It has maybe 275 horsepower on a good day, and my best run with it is a 13.8 @ 98 mph at National Trail. Guess what else? I have MAYBE $4K wrapped up in it including the $2500 for the car. And guess what else again? My 2005 Sunfire, which apparently isn't a REAL CAR, runs about the same time down the strip, but traps 107 at it's best speed. Oh, BTW, my UNREAL CAR will absolutely walk all over my REAL car. From a 25 mph roll to 100 mph, I'll pull 4-5 lengths on my REAL car.
I guess what I'm saying is that performance is all relative when it comes to the 2 platforms. More often than not, if you get two cars, one FWD and one RWD that both run the same 1/4 mile times, and they lock it up from a 25 mph roll, the FWD car will usually pull ahead in a race.
RWD is old-tech, the only inherently better aspect is that they usually have better weight distribution for handling and better weight transfer for drag racing. Alot of us FWD guys spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on different suspension setups to try to get an even playing field. We can't just simply bolt on a set of traction bars or install a 4-link and ladder bars and call it a day. RWD racing suspension has been engineered and perfected for the better part of a century, the FWD stuff is still relatively new, and getting better all of the time.
And if you think that FWD cars aren't race cars, go tell that to Adam Hahn or Suncavi, they are both running in the 11's. Or tell the GM performance team, their car is running in the 6's, which happens to be the fastest FWD car right now.
Oh, BTW, learn to drive, too. With 400 HP in a roughly 3,600 LB car, your Corvette should be at least running in the mid-high 12's. 13's with that kind of power is pathetic.
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Your #1 mistake was asking about tuning in the tuning forum....
So should my question about changing my oil be put in the boost forum????
I really hope that is sarcasm.
P.S. I dont care if you hot heads flame me, cuz i havent been flamed since i joined. I feel like im missing out on the JBO initiation ritual.
this is retarded, why not tell the poor kid its not possible and move on...I usually dont post over here (im usually an electronics audio guy) but i read all the other sections too cuz i want to learn as much as i can about my car. BTW GM has the fastest FWD drag car right now as stated before....Oh yea the new cobalt is gonna be 280 hp turbo and it will eat a lot of cars...ran a 8.22at the ring in germany.....in a FWD car ...a fake car
Andrew: No there really isn't anything you can do with out buying anything, but there are some that are low cost. Get a K&N air filter, Do a oil change and use a full synthetic oil, change plugs and use a good 4 strap plug.(ie bosch platinum +4), Get a performance muffler. All this will free up a small amount.
You might want to go to your local library and see what automotive books you can find. You can also find lots of performance books on line for pretty reasonable prices. I would also look into a automotive course at school. If your really passionate about wanting to learn the performance field look into the big name trade schools.
As for Jason:
You really are a arogent *&^ (typical of those that have not worked hard for what they have) and than brag on what cars are sitting at YOUR PARENTS house is just lame man.Give me 10 grand and I will build you a sbc that will be capable twice your 400hp.
As to the others: Granted 400hp with todays tech. is not much, but consider it is a purpose built assembly line crate engine and not hand built in the garage attempting to squeeze every ounce of power from it.
About flaming Andrew for asking a question ! Come on folks. Read his profile. He's 15 and just learning about cars. Help him out.
I've been turning wrenches for better than 25 years. I started before I was driving with small engines. If I didn't know I asked and got a honest answer. If I got a smart ass answer I looked at the source and never asked them again (there loss). I just hope Andrew sticks around. There are some good folks here that he can learn from and we are obligated to help him on this or the true hot rodder will die out and we will just have folk like Jason that will buy their cars built by some one else because they have the money and don't want to get dirty or don't know the satisfaction of starting something they built from the ground up for the first time.
Now before you start flaming me saying I don't know what I'm talking about, lets look at a couple of cars. 1st is 1989 z24 that my wife bought new. I have rebuilt he engine and trans (not a shop), and replaced just about everything on the car. It is a daily driver not my race car and I intend to keep it that way. The hot rod is a 1981 RX7 that has a 306 sbf and c-4 trans that have been transplanted into it. I have done all the work on the car including hand fabing a metal cowl scoop. The engine has been estimated in the 500hp+ range naturally aspirated.(If you want the specs email me and I will be glad to give them to you, but not here), or a 67 mustang that is running 6's in the 1/8th with a sbf 306.
Stick around Andrew and learn from the ones that want to help and disregard the rest.(oh ya, watch your spelling. They like to bitch about that to).
brien
89 Z24
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Thank You for being level headed.
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wow.. thank you for bringing this back from the dead
LET IT DIE.
Jason Hiorth wrote:im sure it aint a money thing.........my driveway has my car, 04 sunfire, with body kit rims and lights, no engine mods, as its a 4 banger, ahahhahaa......then we also have a 2004 CTS, a 2007 SKY......oh yeah.....and a 1980 VETTE with a crate 350, holley 650 double pumper carb, and custom exhaust, putting out about 400hp......i leave power where God intended it to be......
but im sure you make a good living
hey listen buddy, i personally think your @!#$!n retart3d because my 01 crown vic would smoke that piece of @!#$ and so would my 00 cavalier, and the cav is completely stock. and u strut around sayin this and that about your pocket bike, shove it up your a$$ cuz the amish guy up the street your whoop your a$$ in a drag race against his Horse and buggy, and so what your parents have a CTS, SKY and an 80 vette, U HAVE A SUNFIRE, thats it, quit your bitchin about our j-body cars, yeah so what they not fast when their stock, and like me, i dont have the money to make mine fast but i had a car that would put your daddys vette to shame and it was mine and in my name and in my own insurance, im 19 and know what makes a real car, if your all show and no go, dont make wise a$$ comments about real cars and fake cars, because clearly u dont know the difference between the 2. people like u need to go play in traffic during rush hour and leave everyone else alone as for the guy who asked the initial question about tuning, i personally dont know the answer to it but when u find the answer let us all know so we can help eachother out and save money, after all that is what this organization is about isnt it?
I thought that that i could learn something about tuning my Z24 on this forum........... but it seams all i can find is a bunch of guys who sound like bunch of bitchy ass women guess ill have to look some place else....................bitch...bitch...bitch........... id rather talk cars
