I don't know if this is true (being GM Performanc Division being frozen/dead), but if it is, I welcome it.
From MT
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Chevrolet Camaro Z28 is GO!
Supercharged 556hp Camaro to take on Shelby GT500
January 01, 1900
GM design chief Ed Welburn confirmed to us at the Frankfurt Show that the Camaro Z28 program is back on track. As we reported back in April, the Z28 was basically completed, with the design signed off, but the final engineering and certification work was put on hold as GM's financial situation spun out of control.
With GM now out of bankruptcy, the Z28 program has been restarted. Why? Insiders say the Z28 business case now makes sense because the new UAW contracts have reduced the labor costs on the car to the point where GM feels it can price it competitively -- and far enough away from Corvette. That's the good news. The bad news is EPA certification and GM durability requirements mean the Z28 is unlikely to go on sale until late 2011.
Our images are very close to the final signed-off design, based on photos of a scale clay model we've seen. Key details to note are the deeper front bumper fascia, with larger front aperture under the grille and the spotlights mounted in deep vents on either side. The Z28 also gets a different grille mesh compared with that of a standard Camaro.
At the rear is a taller lip spoiler that runs the full width of the car. A new rear-bumper fascia features a deeper section with integrated exhaust outlets. The wheels are 20-inchers with an aggressive "tuning-fork" five-spoke pattern.
A new hood features a large, forward-facing scoop. Underneath is the 6.2-liter supercharged LSA V-8 that also powers the Cadillac CTS-V. As we have already confirmed, this is quite a powerplant, delivering 556 horsepower at 6100 rpm and 551 pound-feet of torque at 3800 rpm.
The near-4300-pound CTS-V thunders from 0 to 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and nails the quarter mile in 12.3 seconds (automatic) or 12.4 seconds (manual). Top speed is limited to 175 mph in the auto (to preserve the tranny), but the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 193 mph. As the Z/28 will weigh 200 to 300 pounds less than the CTS-V, it may nail 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and run the quarter in the very low 12s. This Z28 could be the fastest Chevy ponycar since the legendary ZL-1-powered COPO 9560 Camaros built 40 years ago.
The Z28 is likely to only be available with a six speed manual transmission, unless GM can piggyback some of the car's certification on work already done for the CTS-V to get the automatic into the range at low cost.
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And closer to the Z28... As yes, it would be a LSA
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I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
hmmm...wonder what the starting price range is going to be. *drool*
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Knoxfire M.D. wrote:I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
v6 turbo???? i think no
maybe kinda like the G8s were done the GT a regualr V8 and the GXP the LS3
CodeRedZ24 (aka Geeds) wrote:Knoxfire M.D. wrote:I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
v6 turbo???? i think no
maybe kinda like the G8s were done the GT a regualr V8 and the GXP the LS3
The reason I suggest it is that I think we're at the tail end of the big V8 musclecar era, and if we wanna make sure that they'll keep being produced we'd better accept some amount of modernization.
I'd be perfectly willing to accept a 2.3 Turbo and 3.5 Ecoboost V6 in the Mustang as long as they offered a "Classic" 5.0 V8 package for the rest of us. Most Mustang buyers couldn't care less what was under the hood anyway. So give them the most economical, least polluting powerplant that you can. That'll satisfy the nanny state, yet still give us the option of driving real cars.
Same with the Camaro. The Z28 could have Canyon/Colorado's 2.8 DOHC L4 engine with a Turbo and be a kind of low budget BMW M3, then you could have a 3.9 Turbo V6 as a midrange engine and the 6.2 as an option for the SS cars.
The problem, I feel, is that car companies aren't thinking ahead at all and are going to get caught with their pants down yet again. As usual, we'll be the ones to pay for it. Call me crazy, but I just don't feel comfortable with the idea that no effort is being made to modernize these cars when the axe of strict regulations is about to fall.
Not to mention that they
can be improved without too much annoyance to us car guys. Using the Hybrid Hemi Durango as a basis, I calculated that a Hybrid Challenger (with the same drivetrain as the Durango) would do 23 city/28 highway. which is a hell of a lot better than the 16/25 it's getting now. GM could probably do even better with the Camaro, as could Ford with it's Mustang.
Just thinking out loud I guess.
think id rather get the CTS-V wagon
but about time someone pulled their head outta their asss
wtf 4?
ss already is out.
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Knoxfire M.D. wrote:I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
because its the heritage. ZL1 belongs to the Vette's. Z28 belongs to the camaro... and our 2010 is getting 25mpg highway, which is great, but thats not why we bought the car... bought it to go along with the 71 Z-28 and the 02 Z-28
Find me one Camaro Z-28 that is a 6 cylinder of any form.
what about the z-24? should that be an s10?
actually the top dog was the SS model , as the could get the top motor the 396ci 375hp
unless you wanna count the COPO cars , in that case the ZL1 427ci 435hp(gotta love factory ratings the motor was capible of over 500hp) was the top dog , also there was no COPO Z28's
also the L88 is more known to be the top dog in the vettes , though the ZL1 was the all aluminum version
Vincent Morris Tank Topped Eco wrote:Knoxfire M.D. wrote:I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
because its the heritage. ZL1 belongs to the Vette's. Z28 belongs to the camaro... and our 2010 is getting 25mpg highway, which is great, but thats not why we bought the car... bought it to go along with the 71 Z-28 and the 02 Z-28
Find me one Camaro Z-28 that is a 6 cylinder of any form.
what about the z-24? should that be an s10?
no, the ZR1 belongs to the vette. the ZL1 was the optional "dragpack" in the first gen camaros that put a BB 427 in them. it was and is THE camaro to own.
however, i think they are fine with the current lineup. RS has always been base, when the SS and Z came out, the SS was mid trim, the Z was top dog. back to the basics
Andy
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ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
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agree. the Z package is the top package. the Z package added more inside options, different wheels, and minor suspension changes. for the new camaro, ours is a 2SS, with the RS package. so its messed the scales up already.
what you got with the ss, was different wheels, suspension upgrades, and the ram air hood.
and counting copo and berger and yenko cars would have messed the whole system up.
once again, GM all over the place with their nomenclature.
'new' my ass.
WORK wrote:Vincent Morris Tank Topped Eco wrote:Knoxfire M.D. wrote:I dunno why they keep using Z28 as the name for the "ultimate" performance model when ZL1 would be much more appropriate. Z28 should be used for a V6 Turbo model of some sort. Something modern and european, like the original Z28.
because its the heritage. ZL1 belongs to the Vette's. Z28 belongs to the camaro... and our 2010 is getting 25mpg highway, which is great, but thats not why we bought the car... bought it to go along with the 71 Z-28 and the 02 Z-28
Find me one Camaro Z-28 that is a 6 cylinder of any form.
what about the z-24? should that be an s10?
no, the ZR1 belongs to the vette. the ZL1 was the optional "dragpack" in the first gen camaros that put a BB 427 in them. it was and is THE camaro to own.
however, i think they are fine with the current lineup. RS has always been base, when the SS and Z came out, the SS was mid trim, the Z was top dog. back to the basics
RS is not a base model , it was a appearance option , different grill , hideaway headlights , different tail lights , with low mounted reverse lights , and could be ordered on any camaro
the Z28 was the road racer for the trans am series , though some did drag race it , but i liked 4.56 or lower gearing
ZL1 was not a drag pack , it was the all aluminum 427 L88 version , the L88 was the cast block , here is a little tid bit from the net
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ZL-1 was an option code on the Chevy Corvette and Camaro in 1969. It was a Regular-Production Order (RPO) for the 'Vette, but for the Camaro it was a Central Office Production order (COPO).
It consisted of an L88 427c.i. engine but replaced the normal cast-iron block with an aluminum one, and saved 100lbs. in the process. This lead to 50/50 weight distrubtion for both models. To make up for the fact that aluminum is weaker than iron, the block was beefed up substantially. A dry-sump oil system was used, and the stock camshaft was replaced with a longer duration one. The ZL-1 weighed just over 500lbs. total and could produce 585hp @ 7000rpm at the crank. Fuel shutoff occured at 7100rpm. Torque output was officially rated at 460ft-lbs, but it is/was actually over 500ft-lbs.
A complete ZL-1 'Vette, of which only 2 were produced, had a dry weight of just under 3,000lbs. In addition to the 2 Corvettes produced with the ZL-1, 69 Camaro's also recieved the engine. All ZL-1-equipped cars featured the M22 "Rock-Crusher" close-ratio 4-speed transmission, although one ZL-1 test car had a "beefed-up" 3-speed automatic.
A grand total of 500 ZL-1 engines were produced in order to homologate it for racing.
Zora Arkus-Duntov drove a ZL-1 Corvette down the 1/4-mile in 12.1 seconds at 116mph. This car was equipped with an M22 4-speed tranmission, a 3.70:1 Positraction rear-end, and road race tires. In order to fit the tires, a set of fender flares had to be installed. Both ZL-1 'Vettes came with a set of fender flares in the passenger compartment. The tires had to be bought separatley. Zora managed to pull a full 1.0g on the skid pad with this 'Vette.
Zora took another ZL-1 'Vette, this one with headers and drag slicks, which, I'd like to point out, are about as good as modern street tires, through the 1/4-mile in 10.5 seconds at 133mph.
The 1st car had a top speed over over 160mph. The 2nd could make it to 140mph. However, with dealer-installed 2.76:1 gears, to ZL-1 Corvette could push 200mph with relative ease.
The Z, in my opinion, should have the dry sump 6.2 out of the grand sport with light weight details and a monster brake option. Maybe evern a little extra room for tires. It should cost more than the base SS.
The LS9 should be an option on the SS with no additional nomentclature or extra bling. A sleeeper, if you will.
RS should remain an appearance package available on all models.
I saw a Hennesey equiped car the other day. While impresssive to say the least, I would rather piece a package together for myself at a far better price. If the car were equiped as I described above, a real badass car could be created with boltons. Surely it would end up being competetive with teh factory LS9, but there will always be a customer that needs the most power the factory can offer with warranty.
i would still love to see a 427 back in the camaro. sure, it's a smallblock now, but it would still be awesome. especially if they put a 427 badge on it
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
if they made a v6 Z28 they would piss off so many people
Craig Lewis wrote:The Z, in my opinion, should have the dry sump 6.2 out of the grand sport with light weight details and a monster brake option. Maybe evern a little extra room for tires. It should cost more than the base SS.
The LS9 should be an option on the SS with no additional nomentclature or extra bling. A sleeeper, if you will.
RS should remain an appearance package available on all models.
i like your thinking , add less to the Z28 too so its lighter , make rear gears optional bump the rev limiter up a few
also do a special run of 602 , to celebrate the first year back
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I think it would be tight if they could pull of the copyrights n stuff, and make a new "Yenko" Camaro.... Or if the original owner of the Yenko dealership's son/grandson was in the performance car business and made some. Like the old camaro's had the COPO cars, the new ones would too that would be sweet. Probably a very poor business decision by GM, though, since most people wouldn't know the significance lol.
WIth all the new camaro hype, I forgot all about my
original dream car, which was any original COPO car. But the graphics on the Hennessey, and just the whole concept of it made me think Yenko right away.
