Now the proper way of doing an H.I.D conversion is a custom RETROFIT. Not the kind where you get the cheap kits with the rebased bulbs and throwing them into your stock reflector housing
The retrofit took about 30+ or so hours working on and off. This was my first attempt at retrofitting.
For those that dont know what RETROFITTING is, you can go to
www.hidplanet.com or click on the link below
http://hidplanet.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=21&start=0&sid=d72e6b1d4eb9489b4e554165e602d9ac
Then click on the "HID crash course" and you can find all the basics about HIDs and what is retrofitting.
Equipment List:
Honda S2000 HID Projectors
Xenon Depot 4300k D2S HID Conversion Kit
- Philips 4300k D2S Bulbs
- Hella Gen 3 Ballasts
- Philips LVQ-212 Ballast Enclosures
- 9007 Wiring Harness
On to the pics....
Honda S2000 headlights pryed open after 10 mins in the oven.
Honda S2000 projectors after taking them out of the headlights.
S2000 projectors and stock headlights.
S2000 projectors and blacked out stock headlights.
S2000 projectors in the stock headlights (just sitting inside)
Projectors mounted and sealed with urethane adhesive. It's the stuff they use to mount/seal windshields.
Retrofit finally finished.
Here are the matching corners....painted the chrome part flat black
There is alot more work involved than just mounting the projector into housing. The shape of the 00-02 headlights and the size of the s2k projectors (these are pretty chunky) left me with very little space to work with.
To make the projector fit and clear, I had to cut, bend and hammer part of the radiator support. But the fun doesnt stop there, I also had to drill a hole on the frame of the car for the d2s plugs to clear.
I will let the pics speak for themselves.....
DAYTIME PICS:
NIGHT PICS:
You only see one cutoff so far. I have to adjust the passenger side still, it is slightly lower than the driver side.
When I had the chance of seeing how they aimed at night (July 26), they were aimed way too low especially the passenger side.
I took the headlights apart last friday (July 29) again to remount the projectors on a higher angle. Well I finished it on sunday and finally had to the chance to take some better night pics.
BETTER NIGHT PICS:
The first 3 pics are on my driveway. Keep in mind though, my driveway is slanted, that's why the cutoff is half way up my garage door.
Check out the nice colour band along the cutoff. This is achieved when you mod the shield in the projectors.
Check out the razor sharp cutoff.
looks good whats the price list
not bad, but it dont look right with only one projector in there, maybe its just me.
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looks good but all that work and they still look the same as mine when i bought the HID kit for the right bulb size and less work. But i like the look of the retrofit, you did a nice clean job!
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Jay32m wrote:looks good but all that work and they still look the same as mine when i bought the HID kit for the right bulb size and less work. But i like the look of the retrofit, you did a nice clean job!
I dont know how you can say that. The kid kits that use a rebased bulb dont give nearly as much light output as a d2s bulb in a projector. The whole reason of using a projector is to project the light and so you dont blind people. If you didnt know hid kits that use the stock reflector housing are illegal
I want them right now. OMG they are soooooooooooo sweet.
GOOD WORK !
omg that is so hot.
seriously e-mail me with a price (w/o the hid kit)
bryan69087@hotmail.com
Looks like a great job. I'm actually working on a similar project. The cutting of the rad support must have been a tough one.
Looks great
supposedly the rebased bulbs generate light att he same point that the stock bulbs would. this allows the stock reflector housing or defracting lens to function properly.
simply put, a different bulb does not change the reflective properties of a housing or lens, it's the position of the light source. The same thing will happen with projector headlights move the bulb back and forth and you will see what I mean. most refractive lenses won't have this problem as they deal with the light as it gets to the lens. reflective housings require the light source to be where the bulb is stock, if you can place an HID light source in the same place, you won't blind anyone anymore than you would with stock bulbs, assuming you're aimed properly
I really hate hearing all this about "blinding" people on the road, the first couple of generations of aftermarket HIDs did do that, the newer versions are designed to avoid that problem. I've seen them, with stock aiming, they don't blind me in my lowered car, I can't see how they'd blind anyone. things have changed
seeing as you don't have them, I doubt you have all that much first hand experience except for maybe being blinded by a few people on the road. I get blinded by people with missaimed headlights in the first place, HID or not. hell, I get blinding by properly aligned SUVs.
projectors arn't used to focus HID light to avoid blinding people. notice there are cars on the road with stock projectors and no HID. projectors are used to focus the light in the same manner that a reflective houseing or a refractive lens does. projectors are used specifically as an appearance and space saving option. Cars with projectors and no HID: tiburon and Celica, cars with HID and no projectors: Mercedes, GMC, Cadillac
as far as standard HID bulbs and the aftermarket kits, there isn't going to be a whole heck of a lot of difference in intensity (assuming same color temp) because if you think about it for a second, where do you think the "rebased" bulbs come from? they come from standard HID bulbs. They just have an adapter. So it's not right to say that one bulb is brighter than another.
other than that, your projectors look good (albeit empty like someone said), the light output looks good, but they look crooked
absolutley beautiful, i have much respect for you as i have tried and failed myself to make my own 2000+ projectors. The pics look great and i love the look of your car. Shoot me an email if you decide to make projector headlights like that with some kind of price.
looks awesome, nice cut off line...i realllly need to buy my new bulbs for my truck so i can put thet HID's on it
Cherub (AZ) wrote:supposedly the rebased bulbs generate light att he same point that the stock bulbs would. this allows the stock reflector housing or defracting lens to function properly.
simply put, a different bulb does not change the reflective properties of a housing or lens, it's the position of the light source. The same thing will happen with projector headlights move the bulb back and forth and you will see what I mean. most refractive lenses won't have this problem as they deal with the light as it gets to the lens. reflective housings require the light source to be where the bulb is stock, if you can place an HID light source in the same place, you won't blind anyone anymore than you would with stock bulbs, assuming you're aimed properly
I really hate hearing all this about "blinding" people on the road, the first couple of generations of aftermarket HIDs did do that, the newer versions are designed to avoid that problem. I've seen them, with stock aiming, they don't blind me in my lowered car, I can't see how they'd blind anyone. things have changed
seeing as you don't have them, I doubt you have all that much first hand experience except for maybe being blinded by a few people on the road. I get blinded by people with missaimed headlights in the first place, HID or not. hell, I get blinding by properly aligned SUVs.
projectors arn't used to focus HID light to avoid blinding people. notice there are cars on the road with stock projectors and no HID. projectors are used to focus the light in the same manner that a reflective houseing or a refractive lens does. projectors are used specifically as an appearance and space saving option. Cars with projectors and no HID: tiburon and Celica, cars with HID and no projectors: Mercedes, GMC, Cadillac
as far as standard HID bulbs and the aftermarket kits, there isn't going to be a whole heck of a lot of difference in intensity (assuming same color temp) because if you think about it for a second, where do you think the "rebased" bulbs come from? they come from standard HID bulbs. They just have an adapter. So it's not right to say that one bulb is brighter than another.
other than that, your projectors look good (albeit empty like someone said), the light output looks good, but they look crooked
In cars with factory HID they dont use a halogen reflector so theres a huge difference. Having HID bulbs in a stock reflector may give the same amount of light output as HID but you dont have the beam pattern and the light output is terrible. I speak from experience. I had a HID kit before. If they dont blind people why do you think HID kits are illegal. They dont make something illegal for no reason.
looks great man. thats a different way of mounting the projectors, but it seems to work. thats so cool. thank god you had nothing behind the rad support. we sunfires have allot of room behind the headlights, but if we did have to that to fit anything, we would have to relocate the battery.
hit me up if you would like some angle eyes to throw on there. it may take up some of that empty space.
keep up the great work man. i love them.
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Steve Winslow wrote:Cherub (AZ) wrote:supposedly the rebased bulbs generate light att he same point that the stock bulbs would. this allows the stock reflector housing or defracting lens to function properly.
simply put, a different bulb does not change the reflective properties of a housing or lens, it's the position of the light source. The same thing will happen with projector headlights move the bulb back and forth and you will see what I mean. most refractive lenses won't have this problem as they deal with the light as it gets to the lens. reflective housings require the light source to be where the bulb is stock, if you can place an HID light source in the same place, you won't blind anyone anymore than you would with stock bulbs, assuming you're aimed properly
I really hate hearing all this about "blinding" people on the road, the first couple of generations of aftermarket HIDs did do that, the newer versions are designed to avoid that problem. I've seen them, with stock aiming, they don't blind me in my lowered car, I can't see how they'd blind anyone. things have changed
seeing as you don't have them, I doubt you have all that much first hand experience except for maybe being blinded by a few people on the road. I get blinded by people with missaimed headlights in the first place, HID or not. hell, I get blinding by properly aligned SUVs.
projectors arn't used to focus HID light to avoid blinding people. notice there are cars on the road with stock projectors and no HID. projectors are used to focus the light in the same manner that a reflective houseing or a refractive lens does. projectors are used specifically as an appearance and space saving option. Cars with projectors and no HID: tiburon and Celica, cars with HID and no projectors: Mercedes, GMC, Cadillac
as far as standard HID bulbs and the aftermarket kits, there isn't going to be a whole heck of a lot of difference in intensity (assuming same color temp) because if you think about it for a second, where do you think the "rebased" bulbs come from? they come from standard HID bulbs. They just have an adapter. So it's not right to say that one bulb is brighter than another.
other than that, your projectors look good (albeit empty like someone said), the light output looks good, but they look crooked
In cars with factory HID they dont use a halogen reflector so theres a huge difference. Having HID bulbs in a stock reflector may give the same amount of light output as HID but you dont have the beam pattern and the light output is terrible. I speak from experience. I had a HID kit before. If they dont blind people why do you think HID kits are illegal. They dont make something illegal for no reason.
Legality obviously isn't the issue because custom headlights like the ones in this thread are illegal as well.
The reason is that we can't trust every Tom, Dick, and Harry to build a custom headlight that won't blind everyone with improper aiming. Actually, modifying your stock lights in any manner is usually "illegal" including aftermarket tails, and clear corners. Heck, there are plenty of those blue tinted headlight bulbs on the market that arn't legal.
Blinding people is a matter of beam pattern and aiming. The car companies I listed above use reflectors for their HID lights. Beam pattern was addressed above as well, it depends on light source placement, not intesity or type. If you could place a little neon light at the right position you could have a perfectly good beam pattern. It dosn't matter that it's a neon, halogen, or xenon. My argument is that if an HID bulb is placed properly in the housing you will get the same beam pattern that you would with a stock bulb.
You obviously had a crappy HID kit before.
^ I tend to agree with Cherub, after I aimed my lights properly and watching my car from another while in motion there was no glare. My light output is much better with the HID kit than without. Although I also believe that the projector would make them even brighter I am satisfied to wait a bit to finish the projectors on my car.
Thanks for the comments guys. Keep 'em coming.
Jay32m wrote:looks good but all that work and they still look the same as mine when i bought the HID kit for the right bulb size and less work.
Do a wall shot with yours. Drive up to a flat wall on even ground ofcourse and then back up 25 feet. Take a pic (post the pic up here also or email it to me) and then tell me if it still looks the same. It may look like the pics from the link I posted below.
IZN TRBL wrote:looks great man. thats a different way of mounting the projectors, but it seems to work. thats so cool. thank god you had nothing behind the rad support. we sunfires have allot of room behind the headlights, but if we did have to that to fit anything, we would have to relocate the battery. hit me up if you would like some angle eyes to throw on there. it may take up some of that empty space. keep up the great work man. i love them.
Most people mount the projectors from the front with screws but I mounted the projector from rear. It was the only way to do it because of the shape of the headlight and the size of the projector. I tried to mount it from the front but the s2k projectors are so chunky that I wouldn't have been able to put the lenses back on.
As for the empty space, I'm actually looking for bezels that came off 2004-2005 Honda s2000 headlights and putting them in there. But for now I kinda like the way they look.
Cherub (AZ):
The car companies you listed above that use reflector housing for HIDs (ie Lexus) uses a different type of bulb, D2R instead of D2S.
A D2R is a HID bulb that was designed for HID reflector housings. It has a different base than a D2S and also has a painted portion on the bulb itself. Why is it painted you ask? The paint is there to block certain areas of the bulb that would cause excessive glare in the housing. Courtesy of HIDplanet.com
Also, the reflector housing they use are specifically designed housing meant for use with HIDs.
Check out the link for good info on glare, as well as people who uses HID kits on stock reflector housings.
http://www.torontostreetracing.com/online/showthread.php?t=4559
http://hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8927
Looks fantastic man! Beautiful work, and beautiful results.
get some angel eyes up in that!
mmm very nice. they look sweet
looks awesome, i want some full pics of your car
R.I.P. Brian Klocke, you will never be forgotten
very nice love it
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I saw these things in person and let me tell you, they are incredible. Great job man...
