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Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:20 AM
Hello all. Some of you had asked for more information on this project following the car's debut at The Bash. My just-turned 17 year old son Adam and I have been flogging the car mercilessly in the weeks since, and the overall results have exceeded even my expectations, both for the car itself, and for him driving!

Initially, this car was run in 2003, with a best of 12.12 @ 118 mph. We've made many changes to it since then, most of which consisted of removal of items we deemed excessive in terms of complexity and expense. We removed:

1. Programmable DFI engine management
2. Super 20G turbocharger
3. Crane ignition amplifier
4. Seperate coilpack and wires
5. Nitrous oxide

This time around, we wished to show how to do the most with the least, and demonstrate the capability of our standard Stage II turbosystem on a mildly built Ecotec, using more boost than the stock engine will allow:

1. We used our new PortFueler system in place of the DFI, while retaining the stock computer and injectors.
2. A Super 16G unit went in (standard in our Stage I and II systems)
3. Stock ignition was retained
4. Stock coilpack retained
5. No nitrous!

In addition, the car was heavy in its previous iteration, 2900 lbs. with a 220 lb driver. Adam worked hard all winter in our home garage doing weight reduction. Anything he could unbolt that would not make the car race-only came off. I performed some plasma-surgery to cut another 20 pounds off non-critical areas, and taking off the heavy billet rear wheels in favor of lightweight Keizer skinnies helped too, for a new weight of 2600 with a 160 lb driver (it all adds up!). It's important to note that the car did not benefit from any exotic or expensive weight reduction, most of it achieved by a 17 year old following my directions. The car still carries a rollbar and full interior.

We also reduced rotating weight in the engine by removing the balance shafts using a nifty method we developed which retains the chain drive (essential, as it drives the water pump too). Beyond the Eagle rods and JE pistons, the engine is stock.

The Getrag 5-speed transmission remains stock, coupled to a ClutchMasters Stage IV clutch with stock flywheel, and DriveShaft Shop axles. RKSport lower control arms and Eibach lowering springs round out the minimal supension mods. We machined a trick ABS-eliminator block that also allowed us to plumb in a SSBC adjustable proportioning valve as well as a line-lock for burnouts. This also enabled us to remove the entire e-brake system, good for about 20 more pounds. In our part of the world (upper midwest), it's flat as a pool table, so the loss of the E-brake for parking was not a problem.

As Ecotec engines are stock with a plastic intake manifold, we did opt to retain the aluminum short-runner intake the car had previously when it was DFI equipped. Unlike some of our other PortFueler applications where we can add the four additional injectors with a billet plate between the head and the intake, Ecotec engines have their stock injectors in the head (rather than the intake manifold, which is much more common). This design prevents our plate approach, as there's just no room for the additional injectors. As we felt that any high-boost Ecotecs would be better off replacing the stock plastic intake for safety and enhanced performance, we simply incorporated the PortFueler injectors into our manifold. The manifold uses the stock throttle-body for simplicity and retention of stock IAC and TPS. We plan to offer this aluminum manifold/PortFueler combo to the public if demand proves ample.

We also wanted to demonstrate what can be achieved with unleaded gas and a catalytic converter. The car runs on 93 octane at low boost (up to 11 PSI), with 100 unpeaded at high boost (up to 22 PSI). One of our 3" HiFlow cats is utilized with a cool prototype side-exit exhaust (saves weight compared to going over the axle and out the rear). Like an SRT-4, it has no muffler, just the turbo and the cat to keep it street-quiet.

What's it all add up to? At the wheels, about 325 HP, so figure 370 or so crank. So far, we've run 11.87 @ 118 MPH, with a backup pass of 11.91. Yes, that's about .25 second quicker than the previous 20G-DFI-N2O iteration, with the same MPH. Miraculous? Well, keep in mind, we only made a few passes with the car in its previous setup, whereas with the current combo, we've made about 80, as well as a couple dozen dyno pulls. This time around, it's highly optimized, and a fair amount lighter.

It's now become our first-ever 100% emissions-legal 11 second car. That's significant, as we've been at this for a while, with Neons, DSM's, and many others. You could bolt the street tires on after an 11 second pass, drive to the test lane, and pass not only an OBD-II scan, but even the tailpipe anyalysis. Even the downstream o2 sensor stays happy, with no check-engine light thanks to the unleaded gas and cat.

Adam has done a killer job for a young fellow, with excellent reaction times and quick passes galore. The car works SO well, with a best 60 foot of 1.71 seconds. For a basically stock suspension, that's admirable for ANY car. It goes straight, doesn't sway or jump around, and has been wowing crowds everywhere at NOPI events as well as our home tracks with its performance and good manners. Keep in mind...this transmission now has about NINETY 11- and 12-second passes on it, as well as dozens of dyno runs, with no signs of trouble. We intend to swap in another unit soon so that we can take apart this exemplary Getrag for inspection and analysis.

Mission accomplished! Adam and I built this Sunfire to have fun, but also to prove to the world that there is great potential in not only our Stage II turbosystem, but the Eco 5-speed J-body as well. The props the car has garnered so far are many, from domestic and import fans alike, and we are far from done...

Now that we have run 11's with such a mild combo, the gloves are about to come off. Next we are chasing our own 11.70 second 16G turbo record that we set several years ago with a Neon. To achieve this, we are putting the DFI system back on, which will allow us to run as much as 32 PSI boost with the 16G. Yes, the cat will have to come off, as that's leaded hi-octane territory. If my calculations are correct, this should allow us to run in the 11.40 - 50 range, with trap speeds approaching 125 MPH. If all goes well there, then the Big Kahuna goes on...a Super 25G which will give us about 650 crank HP max potential. Can we run 10's with a street-legal J? Stay tuned...















Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com


Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:27 AM
WOW! That's about all I can say!




Eh...old man with a Corvette now...it was bound to happen sooner rather than later right?
Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:36 AM
impressive... well done!


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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:39 AM
Awesome job Bill, hats off to you and your son.





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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:49 AM
Definately impressive! I'm very glad you have posted this up, as I do recall discussion of it at the bash, where I was most likely one of the people expressing interest .





Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:02 AM
I love you Bill! Your my hero!
I gotta get my butt back up there and let you have a go at my car. I can only imagine what you can pull out of it.



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5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:11 AM
That's very impressive! Great job.





Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:16 AM
Very Impressive indeed!! Its nice to hear that the hard work payes off, and that you arent stopping there, would be nice to see a street legal J hitting 10s Good Luck with that!!


-DJ

Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:29 AM
I...don't...know...what...to...say...
"thumbs up*


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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:39 AM
I cant wait to run into you again at GLD. Awsome work on the Eco.




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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:49 AM
I love you too, Ryne! Keep showing SRT's your tail!

Thanks for the kudos, everyone! I've believed in the Ecotec for a long time, and it's most satisfying to put up some new numbers and start a new buzz.

Extra props to those in the background who helped make it all happen:

Wife and mother Lori Hahn, who helped and tolerated while watching her son and old man work all hours, fight, mess up the kitchen, make her park on the driveway, disappear for days to 'go racin', and ultimately prevail.

Darren Herde, who put in many hours and provided endless moral support.

Sgt. Craig, who believes in domestic performance like no other.

Adam's friends John and Billy, who scraped Dynamat, spun wrenches, and kept Adam company on those long winter nights.



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com


Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:09 PM
hey Bill. any chance i can bring the car by for a few hours Monday or Tuesday? I wanna be the first person here besides you guys to have a dyno proven 300WHP. I wanna see if the Portfueler will help me out any as well.



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5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:31 PM
kick ass bill.

is there an ETA on the portfuelr for the public? what CC injectors are going to be with it? im assuming its gonna do away with the fmu?

so this car is completely stock besides the bottom end? no headwork?



Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:39 PM
makes me want to mod my car even more. haha


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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-body
Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:44 PM
Shifted wrote:Awesome job Bill, hats off to you and your son.






Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:53 PM
sounds like alot of fun bill , you gonna bring to AZ anytime soon ??


and we want pics of the port fueler set up , well i know i do


i think you you guys lighten up the car more you should be able to get it closer to mid 11's as it sits , if not low 11's with just the drivers seat and dash inside







Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:11 PM
John H [Cavalierkid wrote:]kick ass bill.

is there an ETA on the portfuelr for the public? what CC injectors are going to be with it? im assuming its gonna do away with the fmu?

so this car is completely stock besides the bottom end? no headwork?


John, thanks! We can sell PortFueler now, if you provide your own injector mounting. Mounting the injectors to our Hahn aluminum manifold was our solution, and should we see enough demand, we will offer this PortFueler/short runner manifold combo to the public. At this time, we can provide fuel injectors and rail, as well as control module and base calibration. Avoid the urge to mount the injectors anywhere other than at the port itself, with one per cylinder..we've done exhaustive testing with running fuel through the manifold with the injectors mounted further upstream in this and other applications, and it just doesn't work well...poor atomization and fuel puddling are a continuous problem.

Yes, no FMU is needed with PortFueler. On this car, we are using the stock FPR instead of the FMU that comes in our Stage I and II kits. We are, however, using our standard fuel delivery insofar as the inline booster pump with stock intank pump combo (works so well, even at these power levels). As we advance to selling complete turbosystems with PortFueler, the $$ saved by not having to purchase an FMU will offset the PortFueler cost to a degree.

Currently, we are experimenting with PortFueler injectors from 430cc/min to 500cc/min. Of course, the stock injectors are also retained, for magnificient emissions, fuel mileage, and low-speed driveability...some of the hallmarks of the PortFueler approach.

Yes, our car has stock cams, valves, and head. Russ Oblenes hooked us up with some super-nice adjustable cam sprockets, but we still have the cams 'straight up' (stock timing). We intend to leave the stock head/cams etc. for now, at least for the remainder of this season, for it best represents what the majority of our customers might use. Not to mention, they work kick-ass good! Interesting point here, btw...in all our dyno testing of N/A as well as factory supercharged and Hahn turbocharged cars, the engine is at HP peak at stock redline (end of test)...this is unusual, for most engines hit HP peak, say, a few hundred RPM before redline. The Ecotec has an almost magical, electric motor-like power production, which is one reason why we have had such success to date...the power vs. RPM is so linear and constant that there are no 'flat spots' anywhere in the power curve. Coupled to their very low-geared driveline, they just pull and pull in every gear...it's a super-efficient combo of cam, bore/stroke, head, and gearing. With the DFI, we will be able to go beyond the stock redline a bit and see if the power begins to fall off, and at what RPM. I'm confident that we will be able to run her to, say, 7 grand with the stock cams and head before it begins to taper off sognificantly in power. This should increase the performance on the track...if nothing else, it may stop Adam from having to shift to 5th until we are trapping well over 130 mph with the 25G. At the most, it could make the car just quicker all around, due to more power available as each upshift occurs and the engine 'drops' to an RPM that is hundreds higher than if shifted at stock redline. We'll keep you posted!



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:27 PM
awesome




Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:46 PM
What could be better than building kick ass systems for aliving and doing it with your son.Great job guys.


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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:53 PM
Well where are the pic's of this work and stuff. I mean I just want to be able to see more of this stuff you are talkin' about. Thanks and great job!




Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:07 PM
Hey Bill, How about getting you systems CARB certified?. That'll make it truly street-legal, especially here in California.



Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:32 PM
Quote:

John, thanks! We can sell PortFueler now, if you provide your own injector mounting. Mounting the injectors to our Hahn aluminum manifold was our solution, and should we see enough demand, we will offer this PortFueler/short runner manifold combo to the public. At this time, we can provide fuel injectors and rail, as well as control module and base calibration. Avoid the urge to mount the injectors anywhere other than at the port itself, with one per cylinder..we've done exhaustive testing with running fuel through the manifold with the injectors mounted further upstream in this and other applications, and it just doesn't work well...poor atomization and fuel puddling are a continuous problem


when is it going to be available complete as a bolt on? with the injector mounting? roughly how much are we talking about for this portfueler system? do we send back the 320cc injectors and fmu?

does it come pre set? iv been keeping in touch with brad, but havent heard anything new in awhile.

was there any problems with the ecu once you past 108? with it trying to cut fuel and having the extra injectors still adding fuel? it didnt go into limp mode for being too rich? or throw a cel?

im extremely interested in this bill. please keep me updated.



Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:56 PM
Ya know, ever since I first heard of Hahn Racecraft, and researched various available turbo kits for the Eco, I've always made, what has actually turned out to be, a SAFE assumption that Hahn Racecraft is the BEST at what they do. This thread just goes to show that my initial instincts were right! I tell you what....as soon as I finish up my degree (about 6 more months), I'm gonna pay off some debts real quick and then high-tail it to Illinois to meet Bill face-to-face and drop a few grand in his hand! MAN I can't wait to be boosted!!! Kudos to Hahn Racecraft!!!




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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:32 PM
so wheres suncavi running his mouth now?



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Re: Eco-friendly Ecotec - 11 second True Street J-
Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:11 PM
thats awesome a 11 second street j body. hahn needs to make a kit for the ld9
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