Taetsch Z-24 wrote:Quick, don't worry, "gt" is just mad.
More people agree with you then you know, hell they made a movie of it,LOL, American Carrol was great. maybe he was fed some @!#$ in "school" and kept the blinders on seance.
Chris
Obviously enough people don't agree with him or McCain would be ahead in the polls.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
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Quiklilcav wrote:Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:Obviously enough people don't agree with him or McCain would be ahead in the polls.
more like:
The same could have been said for why Bush was reelected.
You, Taetch, Harrington, GT, et al are only deluding yourself if you think EITHER of these nimrods, their running mates, or 99% of people on the ticket for congressional reelection are good ideas--regarless of party affiliation.
The facts stand as such:
The democrats have screwed up and will screw up the nation
The republicans have screwed up and will screw up the nation.
The lesser of either of those evils...with STILL screw up the nation.
The only chose we're left with is stay with the status quo and get comfy in your handbasket, or reject the status quo and hopefully gain enough momentum to throw a good enough wrench into the system that it corrects itself.
Until either of those happen, Be you Democrat or Republican, you're nothing but sheep.
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Quiklilcav wrote:Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:Obviously enough people don't agree with him or McCain would be ahead in the polls.
more like:
The same could have been said for why Bush was reelected.
You, Taetch, Harrington, GT, et al are only deluding yourself if you think EITHER of these nimrods, their running mates, or 99% of people on the ticket for congressional reelection are good ideas--regarless of party affiliation.
The facts stand as such:
The democrats have screwed up and will screw up the nation
The republicans have screwed up and will screw up the nation.
The lesser of either of those evils...with STILL screw up the nation.
The only chose we're left with is stay with the status quo and get comfy in your handbasket, or reject the status quo and hopefully gain enough momentum to throw a good enough wrench into the system that it corrects itself.
Until either of those happen, Be you Democrat or Republican, you're nothing but sheep.
I agree with you, more than anything i like to pull these guy's chains. Sad to say the political system in this country is so @!#$ up and out of control the only thing that will get the government back under con troll of the people is another revolutionary war and I do not see that happening very soon. Maybe that is what the Mayan calender is predicting, who knows.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
Quiklilcav wrote:Taetsch Z-24 wrote:Quick, don't worry, "gt" is just mad.
More people agree with you then you know, hell they made a movie of it,LOL, American Carrol was great. maybe he was fed some @!#$ in "school" and kept the blinders on seance.
Chris
Meh, who's worried? LOL. I just get bored when it's clear that I'm attempting to have a debate with someone who is either incapable or unwilling to understand the facts, although I do find it somewhat amusing allowing them to make an ass out of themselves.
Tell me, did you type that while looking in the mirror?
You guys should take note on what alcohol anonymous group rule #1 is. Admitting; in this case admitting that Republicans in office have been a screw up in recent history.
By the way Keeper, my politics is Independent, sadly the party will not pass 10%, therefore by voting for them becomes a wasted vote, so sadly I vote for a clear "lesser of the two evils."
THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Admitting; in this case admitting that Republicans in office have been a screw up in recent history.
pot/kettle
anyone who can take one side(be it republican or democrat) and point their finger the other way as if their party is any different is clearly an ignorant, self righteous retard.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:Taetsch Z-24 wrote:Quick, don't worry, "gt" is just mad.
More people agree with you then you know, hell they made a movie of it,LOL, American Carrol was great. maybe he was fed some @!#$ in "school" and kept the blinders on seance.
Chris
Obviously enough people don't agree with him or McCain would be ahead in the polls.
please tell me that was sarcasm.
people equate a change of face with change in other areas. but those of us who don't produce wool are well aware that that is hardly ever the case.
im working for a newspaper right now and the majority of the articles that come across the ticker are laced with democratic, left-wing, liberal love. the media has been fellating obama since he first decided to run. you cant even begin to say that doing so doesnt influence the ignorant, uninformed voters.
so congratulations on being led around by a gold ring in your nose--just like you claimed all the republicans who voted for bush in 04 were. pat yourselves on the back for voting for a completely empty suit, while lauding palin's "lack of experience." hi-five each other as the government increases all kinds of socialistic programs, decreasing our freedoms and increasing spending.
and before goodwrench gets back in this to devalue my post, i just re-read my earlier posts in here and am reminded just how much MRGW seems to hate republicans. so, MRGW, i choose to abdicate any argument that you will try to make with me, as you are fully unable to even consider the opposing side. you may also pat yourself on your back with the rest of the liberals. now go play your fiddle while america burns.
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By the way Keeper, my politics is Independent, sadly the party will not pass 10%, therefore by voting for them becomes a wasted vote, so sadly I vote for a clear "lesser of the two evils."
Depends on how you look at that. You see a wasted vote, I see a vote that will not fall into the Democrat or Republican hands. You see a vote for "the lesser of two evils", i see a vote wasted on convienience instead of upheld in principle.
Not telling you or anyone else how to vote, but really, if you truly believe that a candidate out there, of any party, Libertarian, Socialst worker's party, Green, Reform, etc. would do a GOOD job and not maintain the stauts quo that the Democrats and Republicans have bipartisanally kept up so they share the seat of power and wealth, and you don't vote for them and instead vote for the more palatable choise between Donkey Crap and Elephant Crap, then, IMHO, that vote is wasted and is exactly what's wrong with america nowadays.
My only hope is that as long as I'm an american and have a vested intrest in the politics here on some level, that I see one election where some 3rd, 4th, or 5th party racks up some electoral votes and gives the dems and reps reason to fear, if not pulls off a major coup d'grace.
Then and only then will i see america make one step toward the utopia that it was supposed to be rather than the captalistic oligarchy that it really is.
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i gotta agree with keeper 100% i hear it so many times people want to vote for a 3rd party but feel its a wasted vote. its not a wasted vote and people need to make the vote so people can start seeing that there are allot more people out there that feel the same way they do. whats worse, i lost vote for someone you believe in. or a lost vote for someone you really didn't want in there to begin with.
as for the who's ahead in the polls. most of the pulls that i seem to see have an error of margin anywhere from 3-8% which means a total possible swing from 6-18% so most of those polls can really go either way. a poll showing obama in the lead by 3% could just as accuratly be a lead by mccain if you figure in the error of margin. which basically means they can skew those polls to show you whatever they want in a close race. and polls really dont mean crap. its the votes on voting day that matter, everythign else is just worthless filler for your tv to air.
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By the way Keeper, my politics is Independent, sadly the party will not pass 10%, therefore by voting for them becomes a wasted vote, so sadly I vote for a clear "lesser of the two evils."
Depends on how you look at that. You see a wasted vote, I see a vote that will not fall into the Democrat or Republican hands. You see a vote for "the lesser of two evils", i see a vote wasted on convienience instead of upheld in principle.
Not telling you or anyone else how to vote, but really, if you truly believe that a candidate out there, of any party, Libertarian, Socialst worker's party, Green, Reform, etc. would do a GOOD job and not maintain the stauts quo that the Democrats and Republicans have bipartisanally kept up so they share the seat of power and wealth, and you don't vote for them and instead vote for the more palatable choise between Donkey Crap and Elephant Crap, then, IMHO, that vote is wasted and is exactly what's wrong with america nowadays.
My only hope is that as long as I'm an american and have a vested intrest in the politics here on some level, that I see one election where some 3rd, 4th, or 5th party racks up some electoral votes and gives the dems and reps reason to fear, if not pulls off a major coup d'grace.
Then and only then will i see america make one step toward the utopia that it was supposed to be rather than the captalistic oligarchy that it really is.
Agreed man, but McCain must not win and that's the case, by me voting a 3rd party does voice my opinion, but gives the worse candidate a lead. If the 3rd party can rack up 10 million votes or 10-20%, then and only then it can make a dent to the two primary parties.
THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.
yeah but the only way that third part will work is if people who believe in it vote. your party may not come close to winning but if people look and see its worth it maybe next time things will be diffrent. everyone says if only people would vote independant and then it would stand a chance and theyd vote. all those lost votes is what is keep the independents out of the running altogether.
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ide be willing to bet republicans dont want a national popular vote and to do away with the electoral college.
and yes voting for a third party, is, imo a wasted vote.
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(tabs) wrote:
so congratulations on being led around by a gold ring in your nose--just like you claimed all the republicans who voted for bush in 04 were. pat yourselves on the back for voting for a completely empty suit, while lauding palin's "lack of experience." hi-five each other as the government increases all kinds of socialistic programs, decreasing our freedoms and increasing spending.
It is not Palin's lack of experience, it is her lack of common sense that makes me laugh. Government increasing socialistic programs, you mean like the present administration is doing by nationalizing banks, it that what you mean? Decreasing our freedoms, like the Patriot Act? Increasing spending, like spending $10
Billion a week in Iraq for a BS war.
(tabs) wrote:
and before goodwrench gets back in this to devalue my post, i just re-read my earlier posts in here and am reminded just how much MRGW seems to hate republicans. so, MRGW, i choose to abdicate any argument that you will try to make with me, as you are fully unable to even consider the opposing side. you may also pat yourself on your back with the rest of the liberals. now go play your fiddle while america burns.
Yeah, pot meet kettle.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:(tabs) wrote:
so congratulations on being led around by a gold ring in your nose--just like you claimed all the republicans who voted for bush in 04 were. pat yourselves on the back for voting for a completely empty suit, while lauding palin's "lack of experience." hi-five each other as the government increases all kinds of socialistic programs, decreasing our freedoms and increasing spending.
It is not Palin's lack of experience, it is her lack of common sense that makes me laugh. Government increasing socialistic programs, you mean like the present administration is doing by nationalizing banks, it that what you mean? Decreasing our freedoms, like the Patriot Act? Increasing spending, like spending $10
Billion a week in Iraq for a BS war.
with the exception of the current administration, republicans and the republican party have always been against those things, preferring a non-welfare state and a small govt with an emphasis on capitalism. everyone wants to act like the bush admin is the norm when it is quite the opposite.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:
(tabs) wrote:
and before goodwrench gets back in this to devalue my post, i just re-read my earlier posts in here and am reminded just how much MRGW seems to hate republicans. so, MRGW, i choose to abdicate any argument that you will try to make with me, as you are fully unable to even consider the opposing side. you may also pat yourself on your back with the rest of the liberals. now go play your fiddle while america burns.
Yeah, pot meet kettle.
i hardly hate democrats and hardly make choices along party lines. i am a libertarian who happens to be registered as a republican--in order to be able to effect change in the primaries. but if you care to re-read this thread you will see exactly why i said ^^^. so please direct me to where im being hypocritical.
(tabs) wrote:
with the exception of the current administration, republicans and the republican party have always been against those things, preferring a non-welfare state and a small govt with an emphasis on capitalism. everyone wants to act like the bush admin is the norm when it is quite the opposite.
The Republican party does not stand for what it did 20 years ago, if it did I would be a Republican instead of a Libertarian. Unfortunately the Republican party has changed and it is a change for the worse, I do fear that the Bush administration is the new norm for the Republican party, McCain embodies that. They have turned into Bible thumping, Constitution suppressing lunatics. If the race in Indiana was not as close as it is i would vote for Barr but seeing how Obama has a chance in Indiana I will vote for him to try and keep Republicans from stealing any more of my rights or my money.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
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i still see the current crop of republicans as more of an offshoot than the new norm. especially
after seeing this admin in power. no one wants to be associated with them and thats going to definitely make future republicans closer to the middle and not as far right as the ones in power are now.
although i still think that a large part of the perception of republicanism is due to the MSM, which is horribly left-wing biased. they are continually portrayed as just what you described--Bible thumping, constitution suppressing, ignorant rednecks. not only are the vast majority NOT like that, they are also the party that has favored our constitution the most by trying to support it and keep it intact. again, current administration is the exception and not the norm.
With a McCain / Palin ticket it looks like the new norm to me.
McCain voted to go to war in Iraq for no reason, he voted yes on the Patriot Act, said that the US would be in Iraq for 100 years and was joking around that we should bomb Iran. Sounds like war mongering and right suppression if you ask me.
Palin believes there should be no abortions period, even in cases of rape. I won't even comment on that.
Those are just two quick examples. I never said anything about ignorant rednecks, being an ignorant redneck crosses party lines, there are plenty on both sides.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
again you cant base the whole of your opinions on two pairs of republicans. that would be like me basing all of my concepts of democrats on kerry or hillary.
Point taken, but when the flag ship for the Republican party is W. for 8 years and the next offering is McCain, yes I can base my opinion on these two pairs of Republicans because obviously that is what the majority of the party wants to convey.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
the difference between W's first 4 and last 4 are absolutely astounding. and mccain is much better than bush, with the biggest problem with him being the "100 more" in iraq part
