Has anyone else heard or noticed the recent ads for the Christmas season? I heard about it on a radio station and then noticed it on this Sunday's ads. Many stores have completely removed the word "Christmas" from most of their ads and merchandising. WTH? The stores that have done it are Target, Sears, K-Mart, Lowes, and a few others.
The ironic thing is that these stores feel that the title Christmas is too "religious" to be politically correct, yet they rely on the sales during the time for a major part of their yearly income. That is f'd up. So they sell "holiday" trees and "holiday" stockings. No one can deny that Christmas has religious backgrounds, and not even Kwanza or Hannaka (sorry can't spell it) had the present giving tradition that Christmas does. So why not just acknowledge it.

I guess that Target also kicked the Salvation Army out of its stores becuase they didn't accept gay lifestyles as "correct". Man what is up? The Salvation Army for pete's sake. I don't care what their beliefs are, but they do nothing but good for many families over the holidays.

Honestly this is Christmas. The one time of year that many people look forward to to be with loved ones and family. This whole issue has already put a damper on my mood. But atleast there have been 2 things things that ahve brightened it up already. Target, in response to the current boycott, is already projecting a loss of something like 6% income sales this season. Also the AFA is passing a pettition around to let other people's voices be heard. Petition and information

Maybe to some people this doesn't affect you at all, but I almost take this as a slap in the face. If it was any other religion, there would be no "removal" or anything like that in order to politically correct. But it seems as of late, well it is pretty obvious.

ShiftyCav wrote:thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard. you should take that serpentine belt and wrap it around your neck.

Meh...

I think its funny when a Christian group gets ferclempt about a business doing what it thinks is best for itself when it's not infringing on anyone.

White people getting pissed because a company decides to not call its sales Christmas sales.. That's like BMW owner getting pissed that a Lexus is behind his car in the same lane.

These are probably the same hypocrites that tried to trample other people on the friday after thanksgiving in order to get a Furby or a Tickle-Me-Elmo ahead of the pack. Can't these people just move along to their next abomination? Is there not another Brittney Spears to build up and tear down?



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Am I the only Christian that agrees with not calling everything around this time "Christmas this" or "Christmas that"? How would you like people calling it the Kwanza season? Certain things i understand still being called Christmas whatever, like christmas trees. But it should not be called a "Christmas Sale" or the unless it is on Christmas day.

who cares what the corporations and stuff call it, i could care less if they called it the gimme-all-your-money-while-we-sucker-you-in-with-stupid-sales season, the holiday (i really don't feel like writing them all out) season is what you make of it


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What difference does it make if the sale is titled CHRISTMAS or not? This arguement has been going on forever now. Maybe we should stop all together since it is a religeous holiday and make everyone work including all of the federal employees...This arguement gets brought up every year time and time agian. The same arguements are made agian and agian and will be made in the years to come.

I honestly don't consider it a sales issue or even a corporation issue, but rather a blatant slap in the face of Christianity. Suddenly, the term Christianity has taken such a drag through the mud that it has become rediculous. I have to admit that Christmas as it was intended pretty much ended within the last 50 years with companies pretty much objectifying it. But this is just another example of how it seems that this is becoming the new "fad". How many different religions do you hear about getting kicked out of organizations around the nation? I don't hear about many muslims because of some of their "controversial" beliefs or other religious groups, while if a Christian group voices what they believe, they are removed. Boy Scouts of America and the Salvation Army in point. What have these organizations done other than teach good life lessons and help people? Yet the government has withdrawn funding from them, and stores will no longer allow the SA to collect money. And I don't want to hear that the SA is corrupt. I have personally seen what the group does, and the people that they helped would tell you the same as well.

I do agree, in retrospect, that Christmas should not be about any store ads. But, if you sit back and just watch around the nation, the world. The noticable change is obvious.

On a lighter note, I will probably not be able to get used to a "holiday tree". lol

ShiftyCav wrote:thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard. you should take that serpentine belt and wrap it around your neck.

joe pennell wrote:I honestly don't consider it a sales issue or even a corporation issue, but rather a blatant slap in the face of Christianity. Suddenly, the term Christianity has taken such a drag through the mud that it has become rediculous. I have to admit that Christmas as it was intended pretty much ended within the last 50 years with companies pretty much objectifying it. But this is just another example of how it seems that this is becoming the new "fad". How many different religions do you hear about getting kicked out of organizations around the nation? I don't hear about many muslims because of some of their "controversial" beliefs or other religious groups, while if a Christian group voices what they believe, they are removed. Boy Scouts of America and the Salvation Army in point. What have these organizations done other than teach good life lessons and help people? Yet the government has withdrawn funding from them, and stores will no longer allow the SA to collect money. And I don't want to hear that the SA is corrupt. I have personally seen what the group does, and the people that they helped would tell you the same as well.

I do agree, in retrospect, that Christmas should not be about any store ads. But, if you sit back and just watch around the nation, the world. The noticable change is obvious.

On a lighter note, I will probably not be able to get used to a "holiday tree". lol

Couple of questions for you....

When is the last time a Muslim tried to impost their religeous beliefs on you?

When is Ramadan?

When is the last time a Jewish person told you to eat Kosher food?

Thanks to the WASP's (not ment to be derogatory) for the most part in trying to force their beliefs down the throats of others is why it is an issue at all.

personally i think federal employees should not get christmas off. the only days off a fed employee should get is presidents day (and i support making washington and lincolon's birthdays separate again) independence day, labor day, memorial day, columbus day, veterans day, and thanksgiving day. because those are all holidays that focus on the nation, not a religion


You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)

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When is the last time a Muslim tried to impost their religeous beliefs on you?

Never.. When I have I ever forced my beliefs on someone else? Never. Your point?

If I was in the mid-east would I be offended by afternoon prayer (which encompasses everything)? No, that's their culture and they have a right to it. Ditto goes for here.

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When is Ramadan?

Tricky question.. Maybe if you knew the answer you wouldn't have asked the question. Ramadan is at a different time, every time. The fast takes place for one month repeating every 9 lunar months. A lunar year is about 14 days longer than a calendar year, so Ramadan is always at a different time every year (actually it repeats about every 600 years or so). Some years it happens twice. This year it was in October.

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When is the last time a Jewish person told you to eat Kosher food?

Never, unless it was a lack of non-kosher choices on a menu. When did I ever try to get a Jew to eat non-kosher food? Same answer, only backwards.

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Thanks to the WASP's (not ment to be derogatory) for the most part in trying to force their beliefs down the throats of others is why it is an issue at all.

Celebrating our religious holiday is not ramming down anyones throat. Nobody is trying to force Hindis, Muslems, Jews or Atheists into a Christmas mass, or a charol sing-along. Nobody is forced to participate. Yes it is everywhere (here) because the bult of our population does participate. In a country that is dominated by another religion, you will find it is quite emmersive as well. Try Egypt on a Friday afternoon, or try to get something done in Isreal on a Saturday. You'll see what I mean. Do you think that is wrong? If not, then why are Christian celebrations your target, or are you just a hypocrit?

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Celebrating our religious holiday is not ramming down anyones throat. Nobody is trying to force Hindis, Muslems, Jews or Atheists into a Christmas mass, or a charol sing-along. Nobody is forced to participate. Yes it is everywhere (here) because the bult of our population does participate. In a country that is dominated by another religion, you will find it is quite emmersive as well. Try Egypt on a Friday afternoon, or try to get something done in Isreal on a Saturday. You'll see what I mean. Do you think that is wrong? If not, then why are Christian celebrations your target, or are you just a hypocrit?

I am not saying that we are ramming Christmas down anyones throat. I am certainly not saying you yourself are responsible for trying to push your beliefs off on someone else. I am saying that people have done things to try and ram the Christian belief system down the throats of others. I remember saying prayer in school growing up right after the pledge. There was a time where you would have been punished if you didn't participate or say that prayer. This offended the non-Christians and it is was lead to the removal of it from the public schools. If there was a moment of silence instead where you could choose to pray if you wanted to it wouldn't have been an issue. The way that Christians have gone about things in this country is the reason why things have gotten they way they have. Now I am not saying that Christians shouldn't have the right to celebrate their religion but we certainly don't have the right to force it upon others. The removal of the Christmas title is simply the commercializing of a religious holiday and there is no disputing that, we all know that is happening. I am simply saying people don't need to get their selves worked into a tizzy because corporate America has chosen to remove a religious title from a sales ad.

I'm not knocking or criticizing other religions but this "political correctness" is getting crazy these days...
I work at Lowes and I see them setting up the Christmas stuff like in late October this year... and I mean this stuff is all Christmas. There are all types of Christmas trees, Christmas ornaments, Christmas lights, little lawn decorations of the birth of Jesus and others of Santa Claus and reindeer, and those God-awful giant blow-up things of snowmen and Santa. EVERYTHING in the "holiday" section is Christmas, I've zoned the whole area at night at closing and it all is directed at Christmas. The employees call it the "Christmas section". So why can't the corportation call it Christmas if it really is all Christmas? I can't see a Muslim, Jew, Hindi, etc. using any of the stuff at Lowes, well maybe the wrapping paper (which has trees and bells and Santas lol)

Ya know...

I would think christians would be happy to have the name of their greatest holiday removed the the groteque commercialism orgy that is the american holiday season...it defintily does bring a bit more sanctity into the holiday rather than fistfights over who gives their kid the lastest copy of Harry Potter and the Knockswurst of Molestation.

But maybe i'm wrong...


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mikec2003 wrote:personally i think federal employees should not get christmas off. the only days off a fed employee should get is presidents day (and i support making washington and lincolon's birthdays separate again) independence day, labor day, memorial day, columbus day, veterans day, and thanksgiving day. because those are all holidays that focus on the nation, not a religion

you really think so? I see what you mean, but christmas to me and everyone else i know is just the most special. I dunno, it's an excellent time to get rid of stress ( i know alot of people are sad on christmas too But for the most, make you feel good and happy. People (americans in particular) need a good releif of stress and a break from their job. Its something i look forward to every year (not that i have a fed. job) Ya know what i'm sayin?

The best stress relief from your job is smashing your boss 8 or 9 times in the face with a piece of mining equipment. Last I checked, that wasn't a christmas tradition.




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Yeah it has gotten pretty insane I think. They called it Christmas all through the time I've been alive. Now we have a super small group of people bitching and everything must change. All this PC BS and all, it just gets sickening.

My Grandma said life was so much different and better in the older days. People were never like this and didnt complain about everything that offened them the slightes bit.




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I'm atheist and I'm seriously tired of a small group of people ruining things for the rest of us. It is CHRISTMAS! I don't care what anyone says or if they even celebrate it, it's still going to be Christmas. You don't have to celebrate Halloween but it's still called Halloween. Why not make this Holiday thing in the middle of July? At least things wouldn't get confused. "Are you going Holiday or Christmas shopping?" "When's Holiday?" "Oh, it's on Christmas". Sure....


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It's a name, and what's in a name? It's why i said it doesn't matter what you celebrate as long as you do celebrate. It's just that there are christians who get butt-hurt if people don't celebrate CHRISTMAS, and think everything else is an abomination, and there are non-chriastians that get butt-hurt if they get no external validation of their beliefs.

Is the people gettign butt-hurt that need to kill themselves


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joe pennell wrote:I honestly don't consider it a sales issue or even a corporation issue, but rather a blatant slap in the face of Christianity.

I consider the corporatization of christianity a slap in the face. I'm glad they don't call it Christmas sales, because by and large that's not what Christmas is about, anyway. Christmas tradition is a man made thing.


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Christmas has been bought and sold so many times over its no wonder you are haveing a hard time finding it. But you can blame it on the the liberal democrates and their push to make the whole country as P.C. as possible. Its funny how some people just think that they can make everyone happy all the time, Of corse thats impossible.




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Blame it on Liberals for trying to make a trumped up, holiday cash grab non-religious? I'd think with what you said:

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Christmas has been bought and sold so many times over its no wonder you are haveing a hard time finding it.

...you'd be more pissed at the people that are cheapening the religious holiday

What's your beef against someone with a wider world view than a keyhole, Jack?




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i wish i had the time to stress over this...i dont care what they call it, just get it over with



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