As some may know, I was the beneficiary (thanks to Viper98912) of the Turbosport brakes that were on ebay a couple months ago. 13" Force 10 fronts with 12" rears. The rears bolted right up without a single problem. But now that I'm working on the fronts, I'm seeing a big problem. As far as I can see, there is no way that these things are going to bolt to a J knuckle.
I'm an idiot for not snapping a pic of the bracket, but imagine it to be in this sort of shape:
[ where one peg is about 3.5" and the other is maybe 1", and both have NON-THREADED holes which are maybe set out 10mm wider than the factory caliper holes on the J spindle. But the holes on the center part where the SSBC caliper bolts to are threaded. (I'll get a pic tomorrow).
The reason I included info about the threads is because someone suggested maybe using N-body knuckles, but Viper tells me that the caliper holes on them are non-threaded. Also, the rotors are definitely 5x100, so thats makes things a little interesting.
So here's my situation, the following are pics of almost exactly where the caliper NEEDS to be positioned (but actually just down a hair closer to the center)
And the inspirational money shot that prevents me from giving up
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-- John
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looks like you need to cut the knuckle back to clear the caliper?
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Sent an email to SSBC. When you buy their kit ( I know you didn't get it from them ) they send you a modified steering knuckle like Baer does. If not you will have to fabricate brackets
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
McFly wrote:Sent an email to SSBC. When you buy their kit ( I know you didn't get it from them ) they send you a modified steering knuckle like Baer does. If not you will have to fabricate brackets
Hmm, very interesting to know. I did email SSBC but haven't heard back yet, so hopefully they can set me up with a way to get these knuckles, and I'm assuming they want cores back. But we'll see and I'll let you know what happens.
Gary: Thanks for the pics, if I can't get these modified spindles then I might have to use your method in some way to make it work.
-- John
i dont understand, why wouldnt the company that sold you them include all the hardware? id call them and see whats up.
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john , email DAVE he has those brakes for his , the modified spindles ssbc sent with them , were cut off like you did
NO bolt holes were relocated
im the 1 that mentioned the possibility of N-body stuff for 1 reason , the car those brakes came from had a 4T65E in it and that trans uses a larger axle , and it possible GM used the N-body spindle to make doing the axles easier , redrilling the hub for a 5x100 is easier to do than trying to modify axles
my friend has the motor and trans out of that car , and knowing if GM used the N-body spindle , will help us out when we swap the motor and trans into his car
if my N-body spindles werent buried in the shed , id pull them and take some pics and measurements for you
[quote=97cavie24ls(™)]john , email DAVE he has those brakes for his , the modified spindles ssbc sent with them , were cut off like you did
NO bolt holes were relocated
The only thing that was actually modified on the spindles were those 2 tabs that I see you grinded off. So you are ok there. The problem is you are missing a bracket. Take a look at the following picture (it is a generic Force 10 kit)...
That isn't the J kit, but is representative of the hardware you should have. You see there are 2 black C-shaped brackets? That is what you are missing. Those brackets bolt to the spindle and the caliper bolts to it.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein
[quote=97cavie24ls(™)]
im the 1 that mentioned the possibility of N-body stuff for 1 reason , the car those brakes came from had a 4T65E in it and that trans uses a larger axle , and it possible GM used the N-body spindle to make doing the axles easier , redrilling the hub for a 5x100 is easier to do than trying to modify axles
my friend has the motor and trans out of that car , and knowing if GM used the N-body spindle , will help us out when we swap the motor and trans into his car
if my N-body spindles werent buried in the shed , id pull them and take some pics and measurements for you
I just checked these at the junk yard for John today. The holes do not quite align with the bracket. They are pretty close, but definitely not a direct fit.
then maybe schrams did leave a bracket on the cav spindle , like dave mentioned
thank you for checking , since it helps us all out
Just to clarify, I DO have that C shaped bracket, I tried to describe it in my second paragraph, but yes I do have that bracket. Muffin came by on his way to the junk yard (thanks again man) to see if it the bracket would fit anything else GM, but nothing really too fruitful from what he told me.
This is the email I got back from SSBC today:
Quote:
John,
In order to make that kit work you will need the modified knuckles and
the base brackets that were on that vehicle also.
Sincerely,
Bill Cummings
Technical Specialist
Stainless Steel Brakes Corp.
b.cummings@ssbrakes.com
(716)407-0133
So I'm guessing that's where I stand, just need to get the knuckles possibly from Schram if they still have the Z24R or Turbosport laying around, if not then hopefully SSBC still has them laying around.
-- John
Here's a pic from the auction, and this is everything I recieved.
-- John
Also another clarification, the mock up pics I posted were purposely without the bracket because, as is, there's no possible way fit the bracket in there where it needs to be. And the reason my "nubs" are already cut off is because I currently have the Wilwood kit, I just kept it hooked up and let it hang off to the side while I was doing this mockup, so I'm not high and dry at the moment.
-- John
john if you still have the tags or the invoice from schrams , it will be helpfull in letting them know the car the parts came from
although youll prob have to have VIPER contact them since he was the buyer , and tell them his car is stuck at your place with no brakes so they ship the parts to you , this way you get um sooner
I see the brackets needed in the pic you provided...... bottom middle 2 black brackets, where are those??? Those are needed to mount the caliper to the knuckle.
I went back and looked at my kit and I see the problem. SSBC actually does two modifications to the knuckle, they grind off the tabs just like you did, and they also drill and tap holes for the bracket. See the attached pics below, I have one of the bare knuckle and one with the bracket attached so you can see just how it goes.
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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein
Wow, you're awesome. I couldn't picture how the bracket could fit on the hub, but there it is. Thanks so much, at least now I know what I have to do.
-- John
wow, i totally did not see that one coming. heh. time to call up schrams.
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John, are you going to drill and tap the holes on the stock knuckle? That is what I would do.
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[quote=97cavie24ls(™)]my friend has the motor and trans out of that car , and knowing if GM used the N-body spindle , will help us out when we swap the motor and trans into his car
Which motor did your friend get? The supercharged Xtreme Tuner show car?
Just wondering since I got the Siliver 220 Turbosport engine.
